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SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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Thenexttodie, Europe possibly has more beards than the US. This statement is as much of a non-sequitur as yours as it has no bearing on whether or not racism impacts the application of the death penalty in the US.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:19 am
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

he_who_is_nobody wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Europeans are way more racist than Americans are.


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Europeans are so racist, white Europeans are even racist against other white Europeans. No one who has spent a significant amount of time living and working in the E.U. can honestly deny this. I have a black guy working under me right now who would probably be my boss if we were in the US. He will never be promoted. The reason why no empirical study exists which I could cite is because everyone knows it is true. Europe is a great to place to go to experience racism.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:27 am
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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SpecialFrog wrote:Thenexttodie, Europe possibly has more beards than the US. This statement is as much of a non-sequitur as yours as it has no bearing on whether or not racism impacts the application of the death penalty in the US.


What's your point? Blacks are more often sentenced to death than whites are for fucking murdering people in the past 50 years or some fucking bullshit? And so you are worried that death penalty might be racist, or that racist ideas might infect the minds of jurors faced with a death penalty case? Some pussy bullshit like that, is what your worried about right? How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:53 am
SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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Thenexttodie, you might get peoples points if you actually read what they said instead of arguing against pretend positions.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:19 am
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3364Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:
he_who_is_nobody wrote:
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Europeans are so racist, white Europeans are even racist against other white Europeans. No one who has spent a significant amount of time living and working in the E.U. can honestly deny this. I have a black guy working under me right now who would probably be my boss if we were in the US. He will never be promoted. The reason why no empirical study exists which I could cite is because everyone knows it is true. Europe is a great to place to go to experience racism.


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nemesissUser avatarPosts: 1259Joined: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:29 pm

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how would a death penalty fit in a judicial system, where people after they paid for their crime, will return to society?
Then obviously, the only good reason for a death penalty is when it is proven impossible to return that said person to society.
But...

what would "impossible to return to society" mean?
would it be that said person would commit crimes the moment he or she steps out of prison?
how severe would that crime(s) have to be?
how could you even demonstrate it?
how is it better then life imprisonment?

and there probably more questions we need to answer before we can truly justify the death penalty.
But then you have to ask questions like

How will you execute that said person?
Where will it be performed?
How will perform the execution?
What it said method cannot be used?


Thus, the best of course of action is not to use the death penalty...
Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:05 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:
SpecialFrog wrote:Thenexttodie, Europe possibly has more beards than the US. This statement is as much of a non-sequitur as yours as it has no bearing on whether or not racism impacts the application of the death penalty in the US.

What's your point? Blacks are more often sentenced to death than whites are for fucking murdering people in the past 50 years or some fucking bullshit?

There are studies which show the discrepancy between sentencing in general, nevermind when the death penalty is on the table.

This is nost "some fucking bullshit"

thenexttodie wrote:And so you are worried that death penalty might be racist, or that racist ideas might infect the minds of jurors faced with a death penalty case? Some pussy bullshit like that, is what your worried about right?

Yes, we're referring to, and are concerned about, that.

"Some pussy bullshit like that" is exactly what we're concerned about.

This is where racism has its ultimate effect - where the life of a person is at stake.

thenexttodie wrote:How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?

How is this in keeping with the Christian message of compassion? Of "forgive and forget"?

Kindest regards,

James
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:11 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3364Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?


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itsdemtitansBloggerUser avatarPosts: 706Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:36 pm Gender: Male

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I forgot I made this thread...

It's uh...interesting to say the least

Carry on
Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:16 am
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?

Dragan Glas wrote:How is this in keeping with the Christian message of compassion? Of "forgive and forget"?


How do you forgive a murderer?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:52 pm
itsdemtitansBloggerUser avatarPosts: 706Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:36 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?

Dragan Glas wrote:How is this in keeping with the Christian message of compassion? Of "forgive and forget"?


How do you forgive a murderer?


Didn't Jesus forgive those who crucified him?
Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:05 pm
SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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thenexttodie wrote:How do you forgive a murderer?

Have you actually read the Bible?

Matthew 6:14 wrote:For if you forgive people their failures your heavenly Father will forgive you; but if you do not forgive people their failures neither will your heavenly Father forgive yours.
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Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:13 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

thenexttodie wrote:
How do you forgive a murderer?


itsdemtitans wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive those who crucified him?


Are you saying we can only forgive are own murderers or can we forgive some one who murders someone else?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:50 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1191Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

Post Re: The death penalty

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:
How do you forgive a murderer?


itsdemtitans wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive those who crucified him?


Are you saying we can only forgive are own murderers or can we forgive some one who murders someone else?


Dude, where did you get this from? What part of his question made you ask yours? Seriously, it wasn't even 10 words and you came up with that?
Mind boggling.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:31 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:How about we just take all murderers and line them up against a wall and fucking shoot them all? Sounds good to me. Would that be racist?

Dragan Glas wrote:How is this in keeping with the Christian message of compassion? Of "forgive and forget"?


How do you forgive a murderer?

The same way you forgive anyone - by having compassion for others.

You're assuming that someone who kills is "evil".

Until you understand why they've killed someone, you're in no position to judge them.

They could be suffering from mental health problems or been brought up in violence (crime families) or have been misled (like suicide bombers, for instance) or are unable to control their temper (the proverbial "red mist" resulting in a "hot-blooded" crime).

Kindest regards,

James
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Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:47 pm
itsdemtitansBloggerUser avatarPosts: 706Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:36 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:
How do you forgive a murderer?


itsdemtitans wrote:Didn't Jesus forgive those who crucified him?


Are you saying we can only forgive are own murderers or can we forgive some one who murders someone else?


I cringed.

We can forgive murderers, be they ours or others. Just this past month here in the US, a pastor's wife, pregnant with his daughter, was shot and killed. You can read the rest of the story here.

Wanna know what he had to say?

"Though everything inside of me wants to hate, be angry, and slip into despair I choose the route of forgiveness, grace and hope."


He chose to forgive the man who killed his wife and unborn child, despite how much he wanted to be hateful, because that's what God did for us.

Or do you think being a Christian mean you can accept God's forgiveness of your trespasses but you can just hold a grudge against anyone else's?
Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:54 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:How do you forgive a murderer?

Dragan Glas wrote:The same way you forgive anyone - by having compassion for others.

You're assuming that someone who kills is "evil".




I'm talking about about murderers. I know this will probably blow your mind but it is possible to kill someone without murdering them.

So say someone murders your wife. Or someone elses wife. Or someones child. Show me how we can have forgiveness.
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:52 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:How do you forgive a murderer?

Dragan Glas wrote:The same way you forgive anyone - by having compassion for others.

You're assuming that someone who kills is "evil".


I'm talking about about murderers. I know this will probably blow your mind but it is possible to kill someone without murdering them.

So say someone murders your wife. Or someone elses wife. Or someones child. Show me how we can have forgiveness.

As I said, by understanding the reasons why they committed murder or, indeed, any other crime.

Criminologists have pointed out that people aren't evil - all that's needed is the right circumstances.

Kindest regards,

James
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Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:00 am
thenexttodiePosts: 814Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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itsdemtitans wrote:
We can forgive murderers, be they ours or others. Just this past month here in the US, a pastor's wife, pregnant with his daughter, was shot and killed. You can read the rest of the story here.

Wanna know what he had to say?

"Though everything inside of me wants to hate, be angry, and slip into despair I choose the route of forgiveness, grace and hope."


He chose to forgive the man who killed his wife and unborn child, despite how much he wanted to be hateful, because that's what God did for us.



Do you think that this man would have said this if it meant that his wife's murderer would then be set free to go unpunished? And if so, how would this fit with any rational justice system? No, this man has no authority to forgive his wifes murderer. In the same way I cannot forgive a person who stole $100 from you.
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:05 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: The death penalty

Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:
itsdemtitans wrote:
We can forgive murderers, be they ours or others. Just this past month here in the US, a pastor's wife, pregnant with his daughter, was shot and killed. You can read the rest of the story here.

Wanna know what he had to say?

"Though everything inside of me wants to hate, be angry, and slip into despair I choose the route of forgiveness, grace and hope."

He chose to forgive the man who killed his wife and unborn child, despite how much he wanted to be hateful, because that's what God did for us.

Do you think that this man would have said this if it meant that his wife's murderer would then be set free to go unpunished? And if so, how would this fit with any rational justice system? No, this man has no authority to forgive his wifes murderer. In the same way I cannot forgive a person who stole $100 from you.

"Authority"?

Who is the better person here - him or you?

"Judge not lest ye be judged".

Kindest regards,

James
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"The Word of God is the Creation we behold and it is in this Word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man."
The Age Of Reason
Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:17 am
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