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Nesslig20User avatarPosts: 259Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:44 pm Gender: Male

Post The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

On youtube I am in an argument with someone arguing that sexes or genders shouldn't be treated as equals since a man and a women have definitive differences. Sure, we are a dimorphic species, that is still no justification for inequality with regard to treatment and rights.

After arguing for a while, he keeps coming up with worse arguments and comebacks everytime. After complaining about quotas in Australia I pointed out that quotas are to ensure that there is a minimum of 30% to 40% of representatives in a governing body are women. Since we want equality.

This was his comeback

100% of the people who have babies are women. That's not equality.


Not kidding!

And after complaining about women's rights to have an abortion I pointed out that both men and women have full bodily rights. You have a right to not donate an organ and women have a right to not continue a pregnancy. Both cases have to give consent.

His counter argument

Also, your argument about pregnancy is fundamentally faulty. A murderer could say that since since they have full rights over what happens to their own body then they can kill anyone they like, and nobody has a right to stop them. If you try to stop them from killing then you are interfering with what they are doing with their own body.


Not noticing the difference between someone who determines what happens to their own body as in terminating a pregnancy and someone who determines what happens to someone else's body as in murder. I hope he is a troll, really I don't think someone can be this dumb.
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Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:42 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2954Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

Greetings,

Although I have my own concerns with quotas, I think his argument about interfering with rights is confused,

A murderer killing another person in his mind appears to be the same as a woman terminating a pregnancy.

The key is the difference between the (already) born and the unborn - clearly, the former takes precedence over the latter.

For a murderer to kill someone, they are killing a fellow born - a woman terminating a pregnancy is the born killing the unborn.

Here's an interesting article on the Christian attitudes to abortion over the centuries.

It should be noted that in earlier times in Ireland, abortion was considered a lesser evil than to bring a baby into the world only for it to starve to death.

This is a clear case of the born taking precedence over the unborn.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:52 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3317Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

Nesslig20 wrote:This was his comeback

100% of the people who have babies are women. That's not equality.


Not kidding!


It honestly reads as if you are dealing with a troll. I bet the next things this person says to you will be equating abortion to the Holocaust. This does not seem worth your time.
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Nesslig20User avatarPosts: 259Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:44 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

he_who_is_nobody wrote:It honestly reads as if you are dealing with a troll. I bet the next things this person says to you will be equating abortion to the Holocaust. This does not seem worth your time.


After I responded to that, he gave me this:
The murderer is moving their own body, and using it as they see fit. I'm not sure why you can't see this.


And after I responded to that by pointing out the obvious that bodily integrity doesn't mean you can murder someone.

That is exactly what you are arguing for. You are arguing that a woman has a right to kill the offspring which she carries inside her, just because she is pregnant.


I will take your advice that he is a troll.
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Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:01 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3317Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

Nesslig20 wrote:
he_who_is_nobody wrote:It honestly reads as if you are dealing with a troll. I bet the next things this person says to you will be equating abortion to the Holocaust. This does not seem worth your time.


After I responded to that, he gave me this:
The murderer is moving their own body, and using it as they see fit. I'm not sure why you can't see this.


And after I responded to that by pointing out the obvious that bodily integrity doesn't mean you can murder someone.

That is exactly what you are arguing for. You are arguing that a woman has a right to kill the offspring which she carries inside her, just because she is pregnant.


I will take your advice that he is a troll.


All just appeal to emotion. That is all the anti-choice side seems to have.
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Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2954Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

Greetings,

Apart from my point about the born taking precedence over the unborn, the fetus has 50% of the mother's genes.

And the Supreme Court just struck down the HB2 legislation of Texas.

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Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:30 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3317Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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SparhafocPosts: 1328Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

The most bizarre argument I ever faced on this topic, and it was repeated and repeated, and others joined in to crow about it as if it were the coup de grace was...

Imagine you were on a battlefield and had been shot - you're dying; bleeding out. Would you want your would-be rescuer to be male or female?

I had to read it several times to see if I'd missed something.

When I said that I'd be fucking elated regardless of the gender of my would-be rescuer, they called me a liar! :?

Of course, my question was never answered as to whether they'd rather bleed out or be rescued by a woman. :lol:
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Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:06 pm
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2950Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

Post Re: The most stupid arguments against gender equality.

I think a lot of people can't get their heads around the idea of equal opportunity and treatment under the law. They seem to confuse this rather simple concept with somehow trying to claim the genders and somehow biologically equal. No one reasonable would make such a claim. I guess its just easier to argue against than the argument that men and women should be paid equally for the same work.

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