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thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Why do you support Hillary?

We all remember the European Obama love fest and the Nobel Peace Prize and all that. I was in Europe during that time and was met with many blank stares when I explained to them governments should not have the authority to force me to pay twice as much into a federal heath care system than I did receiving the same benefits from my employer.

The most common response was something like "Yeah but in America, If someone breaks their leg and they have no money they can't get their leg fixed. So you must pay for it because you have a job."

And of course this is something that has never been true in USA, at least as long as I have been alive, Hospitals in the US have always provided people with emergency care, even for free!

Have you even realized what will happen to a man who is paying a bank on a loan for a house for his family and his heath insurance goes up 100 or 200%? The bank is going to own that house for less than what that family was going to pay it. Right?

So now we have Hillary, who I think we can safely presume will be an Obama 2.0 right?

What is the motivation behind your support for her?
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:20 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2374Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.
Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:35 pm
Grumpy SantaPosts: 382Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Simple. Conservative economic policies have been shown time and time again to fail to benefit the country where more liberal ones have been shown to be more beneficial. Especially these whacked out neocons that are striving for an oligarchy. That alone is enough reason.

Then there's the anti-science stance of the right... that's a whole different balloon to pop.
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:36 pm
tuxboxLeague LegendUser avatarPosts: 1172Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:05 amLocation: Vero Beach Gender: Tree

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

I hate her with a passion! She is a hypocrite, lying, race-baiting, power hungry bitch, who only wants more power and money!
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:36 pm
Grumpy SantaPosts: 382Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

tuxbox wrote:I hate her with a passion! She is a hypocrite, lying, race-baiting, power hungry bitch, who only wants more power and money!

You know Trump's a "he", right?
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:43 pm
tuxboxLeague LegendUser avatarPosts: 1172Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:05 amLocation: Vero Beach Gender: Tree

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Grumpy Santa wrote:You know Trump's a "he", right?


LMAO, yep, and I hate that fucker, too...
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:48 pm
Grumpy SantaPosts: 382Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Scientists don't believe. They conclude based on evidence.
Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:52 pm
ProlescumWebhamsterUser avatarPosts: 5002Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:41 pmLocation: Peptone-upon-Sores

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Most politicians are despicable, unethical, fuckwitted money-sponges; American ones doubly so.

I imagine many Americans holding their noses to vote for her because the alternative is one of the worst human beings alive today.


Hillary is a product of your risible system of government (don't be offended, mine is also shit) and therefore part of preexisting problems.

The idea of the greedy, capricious, barely literate, bile-spewing, thin-skinned weakling, Donald "I want to fuck my daughter" Trump, being within a margin of error of the throne brings an entire encyclopaedia of catastrophes to the brink of possibility.
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:24 pm
CollecemallPosts: 343Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

One could make a legitimate argument that she's one of the most qualified candidates we've had in 50 years. Easily. I don't particularly like her but she IS qualified. Which puts her a step ahead of the other guy even if I dismiss that he's crazy.
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:33 pm
Steelmage99Posts: 170Joined: Thu May 28, 2015 9:43 am Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

hackenslash wrote:The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.


This.
Blunder that theists make all the time;

Pretending to know what other people think.
Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:28 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1185Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Steelmage99 wrote:
hackenslash wrote:The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.


This.


In democracy you can vote for whoever you want.

There's no choice, is there?
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:41 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2561Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

thenexttodie wrote:We all remember the European Obama love fest and the Nobel Peace Prize and all that. I was in Europe during that time and was met with many blank stares when I explained to them governments should not have the authority to force me to pay twice as much into a federal heath care system than I did receiving the same benefits from my employer.

The most common response was something like "Yeah but in America, If someone breaks their leg and they have no money they can't get their leg fixed. So you must pay for it because you have a job."

And of course this is something that has never been true in USA, at least as long as I have been alive, Hospitals in the US have always provided people with emergency care, even for free!

Have you even realized what will happen to a man who is paying a bank on a loan for a house for his family and his heath insurance goes up 100 or 200%? The bank is going to own that house for less than what that family was going to pay it. Right?

So now we have Hillary, who I think we can safely presume will be an Obama 2.0 right?

What is the motivation behind your support for her?



Wait, what are you trying to say here?

First of all, you seem to be assuming that people here support Hillary. I think it's been made pretty clear that it's not so much that most of us do not support her, as much as we just detest Trump. (If I need to epxlain why that is, I doubt we should even continue this discussion.)

Second, what the government's authority should or should not be will always be a non-starter discussion with just about anyone from EU, because I think pretty much all of us here pay more taxes than you in the US do.

Third, are you seriously saying that no one has ever been screwed over by the nature of the non-universal coverage healthcare system in the US, and that everyone has coverage or something?

Lastly, is the fact that Hillary is likely to continue support of Obamacare - whereas Trump is likely not - the main argument for you personally to vote for Trump over Hillary?
If so, why? And also, do you see any downsides to Trump over Hillary? And if so, what are they?
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:49 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Grumpy Santa wrote:Simple. Conservative economic policies have been shown time and time again to fail to benefit the country where more liberal ones have been shown to be more beneficial.


Even if that were true (which it is not), it seems to me Hillary and Trumps economic policies will be quite similar.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:02 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

hackenslash wrote:The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.


Why do you think that?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:03 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

tuxbox wrote:I hate her with a passion! She is a hypocrite, lying, race-baiting, power hungry bitch, who only wants more power and money!


I feel the same way you do. Even though I'm a Christian I still hate her anyway. Someone could literally blow her head of right in front of me and I doubt I would affect me any more than waking up in the morning and finding out my toaster was no longer working.

Do you think I should renounce my faith?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:18 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2374Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

thenexttodie wrote:Why do you think that?


Because he's a bigoted blowhard who lacks the cognitive capacity to plan 5 seconds into the future and needs to be told three times why nukes aren't an option.

He's a fucking moron, and I wouldn't trust him to run a fucking lemonade stand, let alone a country.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:28 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Prolescum wrote:Most politicians are despicable, unethical, fuckwitted money-sponges; American ones doubly so.


True, except for American ones being only doubly so. I'm trying to think of a word much greater than "doubly" but one seems to escape me at the moment.

I think was Benjamin Franklin who said once people realize they have the power to vote themselves money from the public treasure, democracy goes down the shitter.
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:29 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

hackenslash wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Why do you think that?


Because he's a bigoted blowhard who lacks the cognitive capacity to plan 5 seconds into the future and needs to be told three times why nukes aren't an option.

He's a fucking moron, and I wouldn't trust him to run a fucking lemonade stand, let alone a country.


Was it something he did or said that made you feel this way? If so, what was it.?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:34 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

Gnug215 wrote:
detest Trump. (If I need to epxlain why that is, I doubt we should even continue this discussion.)
Well of course I would like to know why. Unless you can explain why, then how do expect to rationalize to other humans why you think he is bad. Wouldn't you [i]want to do that?

Gnug215 wrote:Second, what the government's authority should or should not be will always be a non-starter discussion with just about anyone from EU, because I think pretty much all of us here pay more taxes than you in the US do.
Actually I never noticed much of difference in the amount of taxes I had to pay in Europe vs the US. Perhaps I did not make enough money.

What I did notice was a ridiculous amount of "managers" in Europe who would by no means have been called "manager" in the US. But that's far beside the point. Maybe.

Gnug215 wrote:Third, are you seriously saying that no one has ever been screwed over by the nature of the non-universal coverage healthcare system in the US, and that everyone has coverage or something?


Hospitals were screwed over once so many people realized how easy it was to take advantage of the system.



Gnug215 wrote:Lastly, is the fact that Hillary is likely to continue support of Obamacare - whereas Trump is likely not - the main argument for you personally to vote for Trump over Hillary?
As they both will surly do everything they can to insure the slaughter of unborn children, and attempt to bastardize everything that is good and support everything that God says we should not do, I would never vote for either one of them.
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:43 pm
australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4286Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: Why do you support Hillary?

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly base my democratic decisions on how they will strip women of bodily autonomy and marginalise people of different sexualities and genders, because in the long run who needs a stable economy, social cohesion or equality anyway?
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