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SparhafocPosts: 2521Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

Post Congratulations Ireland

For overturning the 8th and choosing liberty over irrational privilege.
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Sat May 26, 2018 6:58 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2682Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Sparhafoc wrote:For overturning the 8th and choosing liberty over irrational privilege.


Yes, this is an exciting day!

I knew 1973 would be a good year!

... oh wait...
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Sat May 26, 2018 10:44 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 3190Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

Indeed, and it's about time.

I spent the best part of 5 hours getting up to Dublin to vote (my registration cards were sent to the family home rather than my current address) to play my part in the highest percentage for repeal returned by a constituency: 78%.

Needless to say, the Church is already saying it will protest "abortion clinics".

[1973? It was 1983 when the abortion ban was introduced. Or are you referring to something else, Gnug?]

Kindest regards,

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Sun May 27, 2018 12:42 am
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2682Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Dragan Glas wrote:Greetings,

Indeed, and it's about time.

I spent the best part of 5 hours getting up to Dublin to vote (my registration cards were sent to the family home rather than my current address) to play my part in the highest percentage for repeal returned by a constituency: 78%.

Needless to say, the Church is already saying it will protest "abortion clinics".

[1973? It was 1983 when the abortion ban was introduced. Or are you referring to something else, Gnug?]

Kindest regards,

James



I was referring to... a totally random, far-in-the-past year in my poorly conceived joke.

For some reason, I like making disparaging, belittling jokes about countries whenever they're behind the "curve".
(It's ok! I'm an equal opportunist in that regard, and make fun of ALL countries.)
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Sun May 27, 2018 6:56 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 3190Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

Ah, very drôle....

Kindest regards

James
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Sun May 27, 2018 2:42 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 901Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Sparhafoc wrote:For overturning the 8th and choosing liberty over irrational privilege.


What does the killing of unborn babies have to do with liberty?
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Thu May 31, 2018 3:29 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2521Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:
Sparhafoc wrote:For overturning the 8th and choosing liberty over irrational privilege.


What does the killing of unborn babies have to do with liberty?



I can't answer your questions because it contains a faulty premise.

A baby is a very young infant, in particular a human infant from birth up until around the age of one when their appellation changes to become 'toddler' or 'kid' or sundry other terms.

Inside the womb, it is not a baby: it's a foetus. This term expressly indicates a prenatal human (or other mammal) between embyronic state and birth.

Moreover, overturning the 8th doesn't actually equate to killing a foetus of just any degree of development. For example, up until the 8th week after conception, the fertilized egg is an embryo. An embryo is assuredly not a 'baby'.

Thus, terminating an embryo =/= killing a baby.

You can try to use emotive language based on nothing more than an ideological drive, but I prefer rational, reasoned discourse that acknowledges scientific facts. As such, I reject your loaded assumption. You are in error.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.[2] The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example, the previous question would not be loaded if it were asked during a trial in which the defendant had already admitted to beating his wife.[2]


So what does this have to do with liberty?

Well, in pre-scientific ages, we didn't use facts or reason to establish the merit, subjective or legal value of an action. We used interpretation of doctrine purportedly decreed by a magical human-like being in the sky.

In most civilized nations, that is no longer a tenable basis on which to confer legal legitimacy.

Unfortunately, in some nations (typically theocracies) these religious beliefs, wholly lacking in any serious factual basis, are still given undue power and privilege over the freedoms of other members of society, for example those who do not subscribe to those religious beliefs.

As such, freeing people from the restraints imposed by fantasy contentions about the diktats of magical sky men equates quite clearly to an increase in liberty over uninspected, unearned, and imposed religious privilege.

Of course, liberty doesn't and can't actually cause other people to be constrained, and this case proves satisfactory in that respect. No True Believer (tm) is obliged to terminate their foetus if they elect not to on any grounds including their religious beliefs. They possess exactly the same freedoms they possessed before, but now everyone else has the freedom to act in line with their own conscience.
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Thu May 31, 2018 4:38 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2521Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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To bring this to where it laughably belongs, thenexttodie - strangely unable to respond in this thread, decided to try perverting the argument in another so that he stood half a chance of having bullshit taken as valid.


So what we shall term his 'response' to my argument was.


Sparhafoc wrote:So what does this have to do with liberty?

Well, in pre-scientific ages, we didn't use facts or reason to establish the merit, subjective or legal value of an action. We used interpretation of doctrine purportedly decreed by a magical human-like being in the sky.

In most civilized nations, that is no longer a tenable basis on which to confer legal legitimacy.

Unfortunately, in some nations (typically theocracies) these religious beliefs, wholly lacking in any serious factual basis, are still given undue power and privilege over the freedoms of other members of society, for example those who do not subscribe to those religious beliefs.

As such, freeing people from the restraints imposed by fantasy contentions about the diktats of magical sky men equates quite clearly to an increase in liberty over uninspected, unearned, and imposed religious privilege.

Of course, liberty doesn't and can't actually cause other people to be constrained, and this case proves satisfactory in that respect. No True Believer (tm) is obliged to terminate their foetus if they elect not to on any grounds including their religious beliefs. They possess exactly the same freedoms they possessed before, but now everyone else has the freedom to act in line with their own conscience.



thenexttodie wrote:You just told me in another thread that it is wrong for me to call unborn babies "unborn babies" and then said we need people who are willing to kill them because it will result in us having more liberty.


:roll: :lol:

In the real world, TNTD, such bald-faced lying has consequences.
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:02 am
SparhafocPosts: 2521Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44507054

Sinn Féin delegates have voted to change the party's position on abortion at a conference in Belfast.

Members comprehensively backed a leadership motion stating that women should have access to abortions within "a limited gestational period".

The party can now support a law due to be brought before the Irish parliament, which is expected to allow abortions within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.

More than 20 Sinn Féin branches had called for a free conscience vote.

The decision comes shortly after a referendum in the Republic of Ireland removed a constitutional amendment which effectively outlawed abortion.

Previously Sinn Féin had backed making terminations available in circumstances like fatal foetal abnormality, rape or sexual abuse.

However, the party will now back a policy put forward by the Sinn Féin leadership that is broadly in line with the new Irish law, which is expected to make abortion available to women within the first 12 weeks of their pregnancies.

Sinn Féin's Stormont leader Michelle O'Neill opened the debate and told delegates: "No-one is saying members can't have a conscience and you're entitled to have your viewpoint respected, but there is a difference between personal views and our role as legislators."
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