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SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Those chickens are coming home to roost.

In just one week, a guy tries to get into a church frequented by African Americans and, when he fails, he goes to the supermarket and shoots dead two elderly African Americans; pipe-bombs are mailed to various critics of Donald Trump - the crackpot crew start claiming it's a false flag operation showing just how much in debt the far-right is to conspiracy peddlers - but the suspect turns out to be a registered Republican who frequently attends Trump's bizarre rallies; 11 jews attending a synagogue are slaughtered by a psychotic gun-owner.

How are people wringing their hands that this is the outcome of CNN? This is bloody obviously the consequences of the President's platform, and the fact it's currently populated by one of the most juvenile, vicious and self-obsessed people ever to attain high office.

Plenty of people have noticed with deep concern the damage Trump has done to structures and norms since taking office and fear how long it will take to restore trust and civility in the future, but I think it's a valid question to start wondering as to whether the United States can survive his presidency.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:23 am
Jason BoreuUser avatarPosts: 16Joined: Thu May 11, 2017 12:45 pm Gender: Male

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This may not be on topic but it's related(i think), my country, Brazil, today elected Jair Bolsonaro as president. Our own version of Trump.

For those unfamiliar with him, here's a interview he did to Stephen Fry some years ago:

Here's another one he did to Ellen Page:

Here's some of his plans for his presidential term:


I fear this kind of extremism might be the start of something very bad for my country. Some days ago a member of a african religion minority got stabbed to death because he proclaimed to have voted for Bolsonaro's running presidential opponent.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:43 am
CollecemallPosts: 393Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

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I vacillate between outright panic and thinking surely one man can't bring our country down. I think the latter is me trying to protect my sanity. Unfortunately, I live among those that seemingly believe it when they are told down is up and that hard pan we're headed toward at terminal velocity is actually a sky full of fluffy clouds. The part that is frightening isn't that they are so badly deluded. It's that they are ANGRY that you won't join them in the delusion and are thus their enemy. I fear we have some dark times ahead. I have a small measure of hope that the elections next week will demonstrate some measure of reason and that as a nation we are at least starting to reject this madness. I agree with the assessment that we very well may not make it if not.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:25 am
SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Jason Boreu wrote:This may not be on topic but it's related(i think), my country, Brazil, today elected Jair Bolsonaro as president. Our own version of Trump..



Yup, it's worrying indeed. Democracy is having a mid-life crisis.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:57 am
SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Collecemall wrote:I vacillate between outright panic and thinking surely one man can't bring our country down. I think the latter is me trying to protect my sanity. Unfortunately, I live among those that seemingly believe it when they are told down is up and that hard pan we're headed toward at terminal velocity is actually a sky full of fluffy clouds. The part that is frightening isn't that they are so badly deluded. It's that they are ANGRY that you won't join them in the delusion and are thus their enemy. I fear we have some dark times ahead. I have a small measure of hope that the elections next week will demonstrate some measure of reason and that as a nation we are at least starting to reject this madness. I agree with the assessment that we very well may not make it if not.



As much as it would be cosmic justice to see Trump booted out of office and scrubbed from the records, I actually think a hostile Senate would be better for the remaining 2 years over having a fundie evangelical taking over and reclaiming all their support.

But either which way, I think it is a very worrying time in the US and I don't think it was hard to predict this would be the outcome of a dick like that becoming President.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:00 am
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3491Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Sparhafoc wrote:But either which way, I think it is a very worrying time in the US and I don't think it was hard to predict this would be the outcome of a dick like that becoming President.


If only the Democrats picked an electable candidate in 2016. However, this I am not Trump tactic does seem to be working.
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SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Both hilariously and worryingly, another 5000+ troops sent to the Mexican border to join the 2000+ already sent to 'protect' against the 'invasion' of the US by desperate asylum seekers who have repeatedly stated they will be officially applying for political asylum.

This means the US now has more troops stationed on the border of Mexico than they have in Iraq and Syria combined! :lol:

Aside from the fact that this should net widespread condemnation from the rest of the world, US citizens should be holding his feet to the fire over this.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:10 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 3209Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Earlier this week, the U.S. Border Patrol warned landowners in Texas that they could expect “possible armed civilians” on their property because of the news about the caravan.


Well, that could quickly become ironically tragic given Texan stand-your-ground provisions. What if landowners don't want armed vigilantes on their land?
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:42 pm
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https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opini ... 12562.html

"Trump has unleashed the dogs of hatred in this country," said David Gergen, former adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton. Former Republican strategist Steve Schmidt tweeted that "Trump has stoked a cold civil war in this Country. His rallies brim with menace and he has labelled journalists as enemies of the people. That someone would seek to kill their political enemies is not aberrational but rather the inevitable consequence of Trumps incitement." New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio called the bomb threats "an act of terror," and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo took Trump to task for his rhetoric and called the bomb threats "red versus blue terrorism," referring to the colours of the respective major US political parties.

Yet, Trump's allies insist the bomb threats are part of a liberal plot to benefit the Democrats, as his supporters still chanted "lock her up" at a Wisconsin rally - referring to Hillary Clinton a day after the bomb scare at her home. Blaming Democrats and the media and taking no personal responsibility for his own role in the political violence...


Scathing, yet sadly just another day in Trump's USA.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:47 pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46034989

President Donald Trump says he plans to end "birthright citizenship" in the US by executive order. Can he do that?

In a new interview released today, President Trump claimed that he is working on an end to birthright citizenship, the 150-year-old principle that says anyone born on US soil is an American citizen.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump told a reporter from Axios. "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."


White Nationalism is having a fucking field day at the moment.
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3491Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Sparhafoc wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46034989

President Donald Trump says he plans to end "birthright citizenship" in the US by executive order. Can he do that?

In a new interview released today, President Trump claimed that he is working on an end to birthright citizenship, the 150-year-old principle that says anyone born on US soil is an American citizen.

"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump told a reporter from Axios. "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."


White Nationalism is having a fucking field day at the moment.


I still find it amazing how just two years ago "executive order" was a bad word to Republicans. Now, they cannot wait for The Donald to sign the next one.
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SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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he_who_is_nobody wrote:
I still find it amazing how just two years ago "executive order" was a bad word to Republicans. Now, they cannot wait for The Donald to sign the next one.



And this one's an executive order that would change the constitution, which is sacrosanct...?
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he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3491Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Sparhafoc wrote:
he_who_is_nobody wrote:
I still find it amazing how just two years ago "executive order" was a bad word to Republicans. Now, they cannot wait for The Donald to sign the next one.



And this one's an executive order that would change the constitution, which is sacrosanct...?


It is only sacrosanct when politically convenient.
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SparhafocPosts: 2607Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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he_who_is_nobody wrote:It is only sacrosanct when politically convenient.



It's all gone topsy-turvy: it's supposed to be deeply held convictions which informs one's political leanings, not one's political tribe's position informing what convictions we're supposed to believe.

But what's the way out of this? I don't see any forces countering this, only more and more groups profiting or attempting to profit from it.
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