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Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tuning"

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AkamiaUser avatarPosts: 76Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:41 pmLocation: Alaska Gender: Time Lord

Post Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tuning"



I'm not sure if this video has been shared here before, but I know at least one person here watches/has watched Marty's stuff because I saw one of his videos linked here in an argument about DNA and information. Regardless of circumstance, here's Martymer 81 talking about fine tuning. :lol:

This is actually the third, I think, in a short series of videos where he addresses the science of Craig's arguments.
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Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:25 am
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2558Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

Oh god, WLC.

Where to begin with him?

He's horrible with logic, he's horrible with apologetics, he's horrible at science, and he's horrible at not being a smarmy, arrogant snake-oil salesman.

He just jumps on anything some random scientists say as they're trying to convey scientific results to the public, as long as he can twist it to suit his narrative. He doesn't undestand a goddamn thing about the actual science behind it.

What a fraud and a hack. The only finely-tuned thing in that video is WLC's delusions of intellectual grandeur.
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Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:19 pm
CollecemallPosts: 338Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

I stooped so low as to read his book Reasonable Faith. At one point he says:

"Should a conflict arise between the witness of the Holy Spirit to the fundamental truth of the Christian faith and beliefs based on argument and evidence, then it is the former which must take precedence over the latter, not vice versa." (pp. 47-48 in 3rd edition)

So he makes it clear that he doesn't care what reality shows him or anyone else. The ONLY thing that can be true is his holy book and some non quantifiable "feeling" he gets which he names "the holy spirit". Therefore I no longer pay attention to anything he says. This wasn't him misspeaking or taken out of context either. He has repeated this stance in a few interviews and debates as well. I have little time for people who deny reality in favor of their delusions.

And as Gnug says he is one smarmy bastard.
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Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:52 pm
AkamiaUser avatarPosts: 76Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:41 pmLocation: Alaska Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

I agree, WLC is a hack. :lol: How he's still in business is beyond my current comprehension.

I mean, a lot of the crap he says isn't even wrong.
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Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:12 pm
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

Akamia wrote:I agree, WLC is a hack. :lol: How he's still in business is beyond my current comprehension.

I mean, a lot of the crap he says isn't even wrong.

Yeap.

The most damning thing I have against WLC is that it's clear, from his own mouth, that he doesn't even care if his arguments are valid, since if (well, when) they are not he will believe just on the basis on the revelation of the holy spirit. I haven't seen this point made in his debates, and I think it should be hammered home time after time with him.

Also when theists start talking about fine tuning I usually say that's it's not my problem, it's their problem and link that video.
Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:23 am
AkamiaUser avatarPosts: 76Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:41 pmLocation: Alaska Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

Visaki wrote:Yeap.

The most damning thing I have against WLC is that it's clear, from his own mouth, that he doesn't even care if his arguments are valid, since if (well, when) they are not he will believe just on the basis on the revelation of the holy spirit. I haven't seen this point made in his debates, and I think it should be hammered home time after time with him.

Also when theists start talking about fine tuning I usually say that's it's not my problem, it's their problem and link that video.

Indeed.

This is honestly one of my favorite videos on Martymer's channel. He's great at debunking pseudoscience. He has admitted multiple times that his biology sucks, though, which is too bad, but at least he's got his friend Kitch and anyone in the comments that happens to understand biology better than him to correct his mistakes. :lol:
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Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:44 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2954Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: Martymer 81: "William Lane Craig Is Wrong about Fine Tun

Greetings,

Akamia wrote:[...] but I know at least one person here watches/has watched Marty's stuff because I saw one of his videos linked here in an argument about DNA and information.

:mrgreen:

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