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Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

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Bango SkankUser avatarPosts: 128Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:15 amLocation: Finland Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Yes.


Bango Skank wrote:Aaaand.......?

And what?

thenexttodie wrote:No I didn't.


Bango Skank wrote:Oh, im so sorry. I thought that saying "That's a good point." you were agreeing them.
No.


You know what...Fuck you, you little trolling piece of shit.
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:05 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 615Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:Well You think that if a person is sick or if a baby is sick than maybe instead of loving them and caring for them, we should kill them. Right? You believe unborn babies should maybe sometimes be killed too, maybe all the time, it doesn't matter to you. And you also believe that if someone is suicidal, it maybe best to let that person kill himself.

MarsCydonia wrote:What the hell are you on? Whatever you are taking, it is not actually giving you the psychic power to read minds because this is not remotely close to anything I may believe.


Ok. You just said that nothing I said was true about what you believe. I realize it would take some courage now on your part to honestly give an answer for these. But lets go through them 1 by 1.

#1) Do you believe it is, at least,sometimes ok to kill unborn babies?

#2) Do you believe it is sometimes ok to kill sick people or sick babies after they are born?

#3) Do you believe it is sometimes ok to let suicidal people kill themselves?
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:27 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 552Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:Ok. You just said that nothing I said was true about what you believe. I realize it would take some courage now on your part to honestly give an answer for these. But lets go through them 1 by 1.

#1) Do you believe it is, at least,sometimes ok to kill unborn babies?

#2) Do you believe it is sometimes ok to kill sick people or sick babies after they are born?

#3) Do you believe it is sometimes ok to let suicidal people kill themselves?

Before you ask questions, are you not able to realize that you never answered this one:
I still do not see how this contradicts the point about god, if he "cares about us", being a horrible caretaker.

Seriously, why can't you answer this one?

Do you understand how a conversation work? Or are you just trolling again?
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:41 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2803Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:
Dragan Glas wrote:
God not intending - nor wanting - people perform human sacrifice as a means of worship does not mean that he didn't foresee it.

Kindest regards,

James

That's a good point. If you would like to engage in a formal debate on whether or not the God of the Bible, is omniscient, we can do so stating now. On this forum! Lets, say 3 or 4 posts each over the next 3 days. If you would like to start now you can, or I can start tomorrow. Omniscient will be defined as; knowing everything, all the time, including every single detail of every possible future event.

Are you interested?

Rather than a debate, why not just start a thread on it?

It depends on the title. For example, "Is God Omniscient?" would depend on one's views, whereas "According to the Bible, is God omniscient?" would limit it to what the Bible says, though again it depends on how individuals interpret the verses relevant to this.

Kindest regards,

James
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:18 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 615Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

Dragan Glas wrote:
It depends on the title. For example, "Is God Omniscient?" would depend on one's views, whereas "According to the Bible, is God omniscient?" would limit it to what the Bible says, though again it depends on how individuals interpret the verses relevant to this.

Kindest regards,

James


Well if the Bible contains truth and someone somehow misinterprets it, than it can be shown that this person has made an error. Mormons, Jehoveh Witness, Clavinist generally always lose every debate against other Christians.
Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:37 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 615Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

If you do not want to debate me, then find any Calvinist who will and I will win.
Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:39 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2803Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

Greetings,

I would argue it doesn't contain truth - assuming you mean "The Word of God".

Kindest regards,

James
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:52 pm
Grumpy SantaPosts: 382Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:
Well if the Bible contains truth and someone somehow misinterprets it, than it can be shown that this person has made an error. Mormons, Jehoveh Witness, Clavinist generally always lose every debate against other Christians.


You're going to have to define what you mean by "truth" here. While the bible may contain some things that are true, so does a Steven King novel. It also contains a crapton of things that are false. Nothing precludes a work of fiction from containing facts.

If you're talking about a broader "divine truth" type of level then no, that hasn't been demostrated to be factual at all.
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:32 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2204Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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thenexttodie wrote:Well if the Bible contains truth and someone somehow misinterprets it, than it can be shown that this person has made an error. Mormons, Jehoveh Witness, Clavinist generally always lose every debate against other Christians.


By that logic, all christians are wrong, because no Christian has ever won a debate against me.

The outcome of a debate isn't a metric for veracity.
Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:12 pm
ProlescumWebhamsterUser avatarPosts: 4994Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:41 pmLocation: Peptone-upon-Sores

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thenexttodie, which of these paths would you like to take?

1) If you continue provoking other members with inane, pointless waffle, as appears in this and several other threads, you will receive a series of progressively longer periods with no posting privileges. This is your current direction.

2) Engage in serious discussion earnestly from today, and you can become a valued member of a small discussion community. When I say earnest, I mean that you should avoid disingenuous and dishonest behaviour, intentionally provoking ire instead of widening or concluding the conversations; I mean assume the bona fides of your fellow members and approach them likewise. This is where you should head from today.

You don't have to agree with a single person, but understand that this forum exists to foment discussion, not fucking about because you're bored.

Everyone else, I would plead to your better natures when responding hereon in. We're happy to receive reports.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:30 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 615Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Do atheists believe we can not know if there is a God?

Prolescum wrote:thenexttodie, which of these paths would you like to take?

1) If you continue provoking other members with inane, pointless waffle, as appears in this and several other threads, you will receive a series of progressively longer periods with no posting privileges. This is your current direction.


Understood. I will try to change this.
Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:08 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 615Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Bango Skank wrote:Oh, im so sorry. I thought that saying "That's a good point." you were agreeing them.
thenexttodie wrote:No.


Bango Skank wrote: You know what...Fuck you, you little trolling piece of shit.


Sorry. When I said you made a good point, I was agreeing with your wariness in accepting a generic prophecy as evidence of God or someone claiming to know God or someone claiming he is God. But I think I also pointed out the what we have in the case of Abraham and his son is seems to be the only instance we have of God actually asking someone to kill his son for a sacrifice. Even though, as you pointed out, child sacrifice might have been a common event during that time. Or before that time. Or after that time.

Do you understand what I mean?
Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:02 pm
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