I was poking around the Ethernet yesterday, and stumbled across something I think some on this forum will find very interesting. This appears to be the YouTube channel of our now resident creationist. Apparently, he is not only a creationist, but also a geocentrist. No wonder everyone here is having a hard time trying to teach him a concept first proposed and accepted in the 1800s, he is having trouble with a fact that has been known about since the 1600s.

The video below appears to be created by lifepsyop and I think it is a great insight into how his mind works and why actual evidence will not dent his faith.

This is one of the more extreme cases of denialism I have ever witnessed.

You should watch his video entitled "Copernicalism is False Science". I imagined it as lifepsyop and gilbo having a conversation. It's quite entertaining.

Dave B. wrote:This is one of the more extreme cases of denialism I have ever witnessed.

You should watch his video entitled "Copernicalism is False Science". I imagined it as lifepsyop and gilbo having a conversation. It's quite entertaining.

As someone who doesn't know a damn thing about geocentrism, how the hell do you explain this as a planetary trajectory, when it's rotating around earth?


From what I think I understand about gravity, the objects revolve around the centre of the mass. So wouldn't this kind of trajectory either have to claim that the centre of each planets mass is outside of the planet, or invoke some divine intervention right out of the gate? What is the reasoning behind the epicycles in geocentrism?

It's also funny when he tries to shuffle a conspiracy theory in there, with the "NASA still uses geocentrism is launch calculations!"-line(maybe that was some other video, got lost in YT Geocentrism-land for a while). It couldn't be because the rockets are launched from earth, and so the calculations have to be calculated as if earth was the centre of launch, could it?

I'm baffled as to how long do you have to dig around in this BS to start believing it yourself.

So if our earth is fixed, that means that the entire universe would rotate around the earth once a day meaning the most distant galaxies have to move faster than the speed of light.

Oh no, see he accounts for that by assuming the universe is a giant children's arts and crafts kit.

Yeah but that was only about the planets in our solar system right? If you apply Occams Razor to both models I think that heliocentrism would have the least amount of assumptions. It's not really an argument but a spirograph like pattern of orbits doesn't make that much sense. I guess this is an argument from incredulity on my behalf, but still.

Daealis wrote:It's also funny when he tries to shuffle a conspiracy theory in there, with the "NASA still uses geocentrism is launch calculations!"-line(maybe that was some other video, got lost in YT Geocentrism-land for a while). It couldn't be because the rockets are launched from earth, and so the calculations have to be calculated as if earth was the centre of launch, could it?

It doesn't, it bloody hell doesn't.
Although physics is invariant in regards to linear momentum, it is not invariant to angular momentum.

Geocentrism has a LOT of problems, beyond what has been mentioned in this thread.

I recommend watching CoolHardLogic's series on geocentrism. I did recently and enjoyed it immensely.

Here is part 1:

Gnug215 wrote:Geocentrism has a LOT of problems, beyond what has been mentioned in this thread.

I recommend watching CoolHardLogic's series on geocentrism. I did recently and enjoyed it immensely.

Here is part 1:

I'm enjoying the vids. Good work.

Gnug215 wrote:Geocentrism has a LOT of problems, beyond what has been mentioned in this thread.

I recommend watching CoolHardLogic's series on geocentrism. I did recently and enjoyed it immensely.

Here is part 1:

Those are wonderfully done videos. If lifepsyop found his way to this thread, those videos are the ones I was going to present to him as evidence. I also would have invited CoolHardLogic to join the forum so he could obliterate lifepsyop on this topic as well.

DutchLiam84 wrote:So if our earth is fixed, that means that the entire universe would rotate around the earth once a day meaning the most distant galaxies have to move faster than the speed of light.

Scratch "Most distant galaxies". Neptune would be going faster than light.

P.S. Yeah, I cheated and watched CHL's videos. Again.

Gravity. You lose.

The way this guy talks annoys the shit out of me.

The video below appears to be created by lifepsyop and I think it is a great insight into how his mind works and why actual evidence will not dent his faith.

The description of the video says:

The calculation of the trajectories in the Sun-Earth-Mars system will be performed in two different models, both in the framework of Newtonian mechanics. [Heliocentrism and Geocentrism].

While he can get the computer animation to simulate geocentrism, it could not work according to Newtonian mechanics, could it? What mechanism could possibly drive the planets and sun to move in such strange, spiral orbits (besides the spirograph)? Not Newtonian mechanics! It makes no sense.

Here is a web page linked on his YouTube channel. I don't know that it is his, but It has every characteristic of a crank site. Spend 10 seconds there and your brain just melts

They got one thing right though. If someone insists on a literal, 6 day creation 6,000 years ago, then they should also insist on a geocentric model as well. The Biblical verses that support geocentricism (at least from a literalist view) are hard to deny. here and here



HBD

Really enjoying those videos. Subbed. Thanks for that.

Maybe he should test his theory by using his Christian powers of ascension to hover for a short while. If he manages that, and after some time hasn't crashed into one of the four walls or ceiling, then he wins the 50p geocentric bet and can then rush out and buy a small pack of Haribo stars n' rockets to play with.


"Why are we so ready to accept that which we cannot see?"

"You mean like god?"

"They steal our reality away from us and replace it with a fantasy of mysticism"

"You're talking about religion, right?"

"Where biochemical machines spontaneously generate out of dirt and water"

"Leave Adam out of this. And he was made from dust... there was no water involved!"

"And fish morph into humans"

"You mean rib bones morph into humans, surely?"

"We are living in one of the most superstitious ages in human history"

"You said it, buster. Though as we're only 6000 years old that's a little harsh... you're talking like we've existed for millions of years!"


People like this are actually the greatest weapons in the atheist's artillery. Such fantastic stupidity can make people question religion and faith far more than my mere logic ever could.