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TylzenUser avatarPosts: 156Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:58 pmLocation: Denmark Gender: Cake

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I am in a email correspondance with "Experience Jesus" .dk and I discussed healing with them.
If they could heal anyone or do you have to have some requirements.

Their reply was: You need to want to be healed and also have to accept God.

And I told him that he should test out LIVE if his healing actually works.
At a hospital.

They have videos where they claim to heal broken bones etc.

Are there any such experiments done?
I know of the ones with praying.

It is basiclly bullshit I know, but I want to know if anyone has debunked it.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:11 am
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MRaverzPosts: 1838Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:00 am Gender: Pinecone

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I've only heard of experiments with prayer, I'll keep an ear out though.
Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:36 pm
GiliellUser avatarPosts: 1218Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:29 am Gender: Female

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Well, I know that for a "miracle" to be accepted by thr RC church, you have to live a christian life.
So funny enough, if some spontaneous healing happens to a mere tourist visiting Lourdes, it's only a spontaneous healing, not the work of god :lol:
Go to heaven, we don't want you in hell with us!
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:08 pm
MappUser avatarPosts: 324Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:12 pmLocation: Washington, DC, USA

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Won't work. Christian healing is custom designed to be untestable. It always works according to them.. If it succeeds, in curing a headache, well there's your proof. If it fails, well the person didn't pray hard enough, or doesn't have enough faith, and thus doesn't deserve to be healed. And obviously it can't cure amputations, cholera or anything serious because of course, those are God's punishments on a sinful world and he doesn't want to heal them (ignoring the contradiction that he'd want to heal anything at all, and making healing at best a holy parlor trick).
Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:28 pm
TylzenUser avatarPosts: 156Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:58 pmLocation: Denmark Gender: Cake

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These guys are healing broken BONES (they claim).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjKjVzMKis (From Danish national news)
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:40 pm
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threeholerhaulerUser avatarPosts: 9Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:12 pmLocation: South Africa

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Hi there Tylzen

You've probably seen the following videos before, but if you haven't, please have a look at them.

1: James Randi debunking Peter Popof's faith healing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y

2: James Randi on psychic surgery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMGxz6-oTs
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:00 pm
threeholerhaulerUser avatarPosts: 9Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:12 pmLocation: South Africa

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Regarding the video of the "broken bone":

1: You should always be suspicious of any video that has had its comments disabled. If it was true, it would stand up to criticism. In fact, if you could heal human bones, wouldn't you just love to prove people who don't agree with you wrong. Censorship through the ages has always and will always be an attempt to obscure the truth.

2: Note how often the miracle-worker displays his cheap T-shirts. This is nothing more than a sales-gimmick to separate the gullible from their hard earned cash.

3: Note that the broken legged dude is very close to the age of the healer. Friends? Business Partner? Who knows. Pure speculation of course.

4: The cast seems really rather amateur. Either it is home-made or this dude's doctor was drunk at the time of application.

5: The cast seems to come off a bit too easily. Every time I have seen a cast removed it involved a rather scary looking vibrating, electrical saw. This guy rips it off with cheap scissors.

6: Once the cast is off. There is no swelling or skin damage. No blue, battered skin which is common with broken legs and ankles. In fact, the skin is often pierced by bone fragments. The newly revealed leg is also oddly exactly the same colour as the leg that was exposed to the sun. It is easy to see that it is summer in the video and that the victim was wearing shorts. Some variation in colour would therefore be expected between the two legs. Unless the cast was applied just before the video was made.

If there are any Medical Doctors out there, feel free to correct any medical mistakes I have made. I do not claim to be a medical expert.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:23 pm
threeholerhaulerUser avatarPosts: 9Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:12 pmLocation: South Africa

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Mapp wrote:Won't work. Christian healing is custom designed to be untestable. It always works according to them.. If it succeeds, in curing a headache, well there's your proof. If it fails, well the person didn't pray hard enough, or doesn't have enough faith, and thus doesn't deserve to be healed. And obviously it can't cure amputations, cholera or anything serious because of course, those are God's punishments on a sinful world and he doesn't want to heal them (ignoring the contradiction that he'd want to heal anything at all, and making healing at best a holy parlor trick).


Exactly!
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:31 pm
TylzenUser avatarPosts: 156Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:58 pmLocation: Denmark Gender: Cake

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In the video he says he has broken the foot the previous sunday.
Also in an email I have asked them if anyone can be healed.
And the reply is that only people that wants to be healed or people that accept God can be.
Yet the guy in the video says he has always been sceptical.
I had the fought about the cast aswell, and I was considering if one should call the medical council to say they are practising false medicine by giving him advice in the end.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:37 pm
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threeholerhaulerUser avatarPosts: 9Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:12 pmLocation: South Africa

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Unfortunately I don't speak Danish, so I cannot voice an opinion on what they say. But if he does offer medical advice, I am sure it would be illegal in Denmark. The problem with these people is that they get people to spend their money and time on false promises instead of seaking real medical advice.

There are so many sad stories of children dying from perfectly treatable diseases because their parents were told by the church that prayer will heal their child and not medicine.

These faith healers along with psychics are the worst kinds of con artists.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:57 pm
TylzenUser avatarPosts: 156Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:58 pmLocation: Denmark Gender: Cake

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Oh and the treatment is free.
But I think their "hook" is that they will try and convience people it is real, so they buy the merchandise in the store.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:03 pm
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derkvanlUser avatarPosts: 164Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:32 pm Gender: Male

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Tylzen wrote:These guys are healing broken BONES (they claim).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjKjVzMKis (From Danish national news)

Pics or it didn't happen!

Where's the X-rays showing before and after ...
Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:47 pm
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TylzenUser avatarPosts: 156Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:58 pmLocation: Denmark Gender: Cake

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derkvanl wrote:
Tylzen wrote:These guys are healing broken BONES (they claim).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjKjVzMKis (From Danish national news)

Pics or it didn't happen!

Where's the X-rays showing before and after ...


Hehe the healer would gladly show me X-rays.
I said that a couple of x-rays does not prove anything when you don't know when and how they were taken.
I told him he should make a live show at a hospital.
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Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:00 pm
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derkvanlUser avatarPosts: 164Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:32 pm Gender: Male

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Tylzen wrote:Hehe the healer would gladly show me X-rays.
I said that a couple of x-rays does not prove anything when you don't know when and how they were taken.

A broken bone that heals never looks the same as a bone that never has been broken. It might take a trained eye to spot an old fracture, but there's allways traces.
I told him he should make a live show at a hospital.

lol, I bet he won't.
Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:10 pm
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