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CantoPosts: 98Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:08 pm

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Even in the bank analogy you fail to show anything other than your own arrogance and stupidity.

For you to "believe" the gun is a painted water pistol, you must first have an understanding of guns and water pistols. You obviously would have some training in the area of identifying guns, and some training in self defense/disarming tactics. Either that, or you desperately want your 15 minutes of fame. You would also show a decided lack of self preservation in attempting to foil the robbery of a bank which is insured against such events, and has procedures and policies in place for dealing with robberies.

Even in my crappy minimum wage service job, we are told NOT TO FIGHT THE THIEF. You comply, observe, report, go home. I'm certain that bank tellers are under the same rules. Banks have an amazing array of anti-theft devices and monitoring/tracking equipment available to them, and you would just get yourself killed/hurt attempting to save them in your own arrogance.

There is no rational justification for trying to stop a bank robbery. Just as there is no rational reason to inject yourself with HIV blood.
Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:49 pm
paradigm667User avatarPosts: 98Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:13 amLocation: Arizona

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Fine, forget the analogy.

Maybe you can respond to the points raised, rather than the allegories and analogies.
Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:28 pm
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CantoPosts: 98Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:08 pm

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paradigm667 wrote:Fine, forget the analogy.

Maybe you can respond to the points raised, rather than the allegories and analogies.


Why would I bother? Everyone who tried to respond to you was met by you sticking your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALA. Professionals in the field? Nope, you know more because you dont follow the "dogma". Intelligent people posting actual scientific studies? Nope, brushed off because the scientists are in league with the NWO or some such idiocy(admittedly an exaggeration).

I don't talk politics and religion with my coworkers, and I don't talk sense to people who don't make any.

You are arrogant and foolish to the extreme. People were not out to get you over the whole injecting yourself nonsense, nobody was trying to keep you from exposing a massive cover up. They were truly concerned for your welfare and you responded with a pre teen sounding temper tantrum. "DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!".
Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:26 pm
scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

Post Re: HIV/AIDS Denialism

Although this information is publicly accessible it is not necessary to duplicate it here.

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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:00 pm
ImprobableJoeUser avatarPosts: 6195Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:24 pm

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scalyblue wrote:So, Mario, how's it going? Out here promoting your own website, are we? How interesting.

I knew he was a worthless LIAR, but that's an impressive level of shitty behavior.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:07 pm
scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

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Aw, look, here's you posting your opinions on WAVE, one of the larger collections of idiots in the world

http://www.novaccine.com/takeastand/

paradigm667 wrote:Vaccines do not, have not, and will not ever work.


Tell that to all of your friends with polio...oh...wait...you don't have any friends with polio, do you?

ImprobableJoe wrote:
scalyblue wrote:So, Mario, how's it going? Out here promoting your own website, are we? How interesting.

I knew he was a worthless piece of shit, but that's an impressive level of shitty behavior.


Hey, I'm not the one being an idiot; if he wanted his identity private he wouldn't have filed it with a domain registrar that is completely free, public information. It's not some private or secret thing, it's basically about as private as having your name and address in the phone book.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp


As far as the debate goes, this is an interesting read
http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/lecture/hiv13a.htm
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:08 pm
ImprobableJoeUser avatarPosts: 6195Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:24 pm

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scalyblue wrote:Hey, I'm not the one being an idiot; if he wanted his identity private he wouldn't have filed it with a domain registrar that is completely free, public information. It's not some private or secret thing, it's basically about as private as having your name and address in the phone book.

Not you, him... I completely approve of what you did, and the shitty behavior is him plugging his website here.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:41 pm
scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

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ImprobableJoe wrote:
scalyblue wrote:Hey, I'm not the one being an idiot; if he wanted his identity private he wouldn't have filed it with a domain registrar that is completely free, public information. It's not some private or secret thing, it's basically about as private as having your name and address in the phone book.

Not you, him... I completely approve of what you did, and the shitty behavior is him plugging his website here.


Ohhh! I was worried otherwise :cry: :cry:
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:47 pm
paradigm667User avatarPosts: 98Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:13 amLocation: Arizona

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So, Mario, how's it going? Out here promoting your own website, are we? How interesting.


LOL. Yeah I'm "promoting" my website. Which has no ads on it, whatsoever, I pay out of my own pocket for it, there are no more than maybe 20 or so unique users at any given day who visit it, and I sell nothing on this site, I do not have any "sponsors" or accept donations, whatsoever.

I in no way profit from "promoting" my website. And not only that, most of my website is nothing more than LINKS to other sites, videos, or information.


Am I promoting my own website? Sure. I'm prompting people to look into the HIV=AIDS dissent. I want no money, no donations, or no support of any kind. If that is in any way "wrong" please explain why.
I have never ever denied that is my site. If you would have simply asked me I would have told you it was my own site. I have no reason to deny that.

Now,
As far as posting my private address and info, I find that offensive and I don't appreciate that. To run your own whois query is one thing. But to post that, which has my own address listed, doesn't make me feel very comfortable, and I will be addressing this with a moderator. I have never come on here violating other people's personal info.

I find this extremely troubling. I posted a picture earlier that was from a public website where the mother had absolutely no problem with her little baby boy being linked to on this site.
I got my ear chewed off and I was castigated for doing this. The mother was contacted and she agreed that there was no issue, so it was resolved.

As for me, I do not feel that having my personal info. MY ADDRESS for instance, listed on this website is something I feel I would like for another user to publish against my will. You should have asked me before doing so, and I would have said no. I would have however openly stated that the site is indeed my own, were I to have been asked. In fact I have never been anything but completely transparent about this.

The reason I don't put my own personal info on the site is because its about the information, not the person. But I have no issue whatever with stating that it is indeed my own site.

But make no mistake I have no profit to gain from it. From having other people check it out. If any of you can spot even a PENNY that I made in profit from that site, please show me. I can promise I have never even had as much as one single innocent ad or a donate button. None of that interests me. I am dead broke and I still keep that site going because the information contained in it is critical and vital and if it helps just ONE person get off the AIDS meds and regain their health I am all the happier and it is all worth it for me.

But to put up my personal address and info like that, I feel extremely uncomfortable with.

You can't treat me like a piece of dog shit just because you think I am wrong about this issue. I'm sorry. That's very unjust. And I will contact a moderator about this.
Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:12 pm
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CantoPosts: 98Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:08 pm

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You felt no such thing when YOU posted a picture of a friends naked baby. Again with the hypocritical nonsense.

I'll do a quick edit here, and make a more pointed response. You posted the picture without first asking the mother if it was ok. That picture lead to her being contacted and informed. She was ok with it. BUT THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE USING THE PICTURE WITHOUT HER CONSENT. All that was done here is the exact same, but with information that was available to the public. I would guess that if you went ahead and read the ToS with your hosting company, it would tell you that your information is going to be in the public domain.

Congrats on getting your ticket on the failboat.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:14 pm
scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

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paradigm667 wrote:
Now,
As far as posting my private address and info, I find that offensive and I don't appreciate that. To run your own whois query is one thing. But to post that, which has my own address listed, doesn't make me feel very comfortable, and I will be addressing this with a moderator. I have never come on here violating other people's personal info.

You mean your publicly available address and info? Is it better if I do this?

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-s ... yfalse.com

Does that make you feel better?

There is a forum rule not to disseminate a user's personal information, but I didn't do that now did I?

I have not disseminated the personal information of the user paradigm667 on leagueofreason.co.uk

I disseminated the personal information of the individual who holds the domain registration for positivelyfalse.com

If that happens to be you, that's not the forum's fault, and that's not mine, now is it?

If anything, I thought "what sort of moron would own this website" and then I saw an odd coincidence of email addresses.

Then again, Mario Coss of paradigm667@gmail.com isn't necessarily the same person who holds the username paradigm667 on this site, after all paradigm is a common word and 667 is a common number.

Anyway, just to put this simply, so you can understand. You could have just as easily called it a coincidence. The holder of the website wasn't necessarily the user on the forum, was it? I bluffed you, and you fell right into it.

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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:29 pm
Aught3ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 4290Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 amLocation: New Zealand Gender: Male

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Scaly, I think that what you posted will be considered a violation of the rule about disseminating personal information. It would be one thing to say that you ran a whois search and found out that paradigm runs the positivelyfalse website (apt name btw) but it is another to post his address and phone number. If I were you I would delete that post before a mod comes along as does it for you.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:36 pm
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paradigm667User avatarPosts: 98Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:13 amLocation: Arizona

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You felt no such thing when YOU posted a picture of a friends naked baby. Again with the hypocritical nonsense.

Congrats on getting your ticket on the failboat.

That was on a public website, I knew the mother, I also never directly posted anyone's personal information or address. If I just linked to her site, like this:
http://www.fruitgod.com/fruitarianbabie.html
There would have been no issue whatsoever. It's just a link. It's a public website.

By releasing my own PERSONAL INFO, for anyone to see, I feel HIGHLY uncomfortable. In fact that's dangerous. Especially considering many people look at my point of views as very offensive and who knows if someone is violent enough to do something like vandalize my property etc.

I am very disappointed and put off by this behavior. I hope the mod I just messaged about this makes this point very clear and deletes that post and prevents this from happening again.

I'm ashamed someone would even think that's an OK idea to post PRIVATE INFO BLATANTLY like that.

Not cool man.


I'm not here to offend you guys or to post info you would not want posted publicly like that.

Do the right thing dude and take that down, and don't do that again.


Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you have the right to spit in my face and violate my privacy.
Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:39 pm
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scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

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Aught3 wrote:Scaly, I think that what you posted will be considered a violation of the rule about disseminating personal information. It would be one thing to say that you ran a whois search and found out that paradigm runs the positivelyfalse website (apt name btw) but it is another to post his address and phone number. If I were you I would delete that post before a mod comes along as does it for you.


Doesn't matter, if I'm going to get b&ed for this, they'd do it regardless of whether the post was deleted or not ( there are records of that sort of thing )

Again, I maintain that all I posted was the domain registration for the website seemingly at the heart of the debate. If that happens to also be the personal information of that forum user, that's not the forum's fault, and it's not mine. I always check whois when I run into an idiot's site.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:43 pm
Aught3ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 4290Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 amLocation: New Zealand Gender: Male

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Oh well, it's gone now anyway.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:44 pm
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paradigm667User avatarPosts: 98Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:13 amLocation: Arizona

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Actually,
Do whatever you wish to do. I'm just going to leave this site. I didn't mean to get so many people attacking me on here. I would appreciate it if you would take the info down, but I think I'm finished participating here as it's way too hostile and I feel unwelcome to even discuss my views. It appears that having a dissenting opinion is not something some of the folk here want to have around.

You guys have a good time on here. I would like to apologize to one specific user who I may have offended and that is Giliell. I am sorry if I said anything offensive to you. I wish I could take back any rude comments.

Have a good one folks.
peace, and down with the creationists. :-)
Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:45 pm
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scalyblueUser avatarPosts: 1417Joined: Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:02 am

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paradigm667 wrote:
You felt no such thing when YOU posted a picture of a friends naked baby. Again with the hypocritical nonsense.

Congrats on getting your ticket on the failboat.

That was on a public website, I knew the mother, I also never directly posted anyone's personal information or address. If I just linked to her site, like this:
http://www.fruitgod.com/fruitarianbabie.html
There would have been no issue whatsoever. It's just a link. It's a public website.


Fruitgod.com is copyrighted: all rights reserved, you had no right to post a picture from that site anywhere without the IP owner's permission. ^.^

edit--If you are really that concerned that your views are going to get you attacked irl, then you should really put a request in with your registrar to privatize your record, it's not difficult.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:47 pm
benoitmsPosts: 41Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:02 am

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Squirrelywrath2 wrote:
anyone for starting an Ebola deniars association instead?


Me! Me!

Ok let's get serious here: The problem with aid/hiv is that the symptoms was discovered before the virus and a hot shot guy gave a different name to the virus than AID... Got figure... But anyway it's like saying tuberculosis have nothing to do with the nice bacilli that gives you that lovely bloody cuff...
Ask Pasteur if vaccines don't work. Ask all the kids saved from polio and other nice things if they are happy with vaccines... You can deny evidence but please get real, what about antibiotics? Are they a urban legend as well??? My dad used to work for Mérieux and I remember the 80's rush about AIDs then... Quite scary... You can critic pharmaceutical companies but don't DENY the benefit of them in the last 100 years of human kind please...

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GoodKatUser avatarPosts: 776Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:07 pmLocation: Hell (South Carolina)

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The HIV virus has never been isolated, photographed, or proved to exist and cause disease.


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