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Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2520Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Post Re: Anthropogenic global warming: biggest hoax in science

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tuxbox wrote:
Gnug215 wrote:
Uh, so you've established their agenda. Can I ask why they're doing this and what they're gaining from it?

What's the motivation of propagating this supposed hoax?


Control


I'm sorry, but I don't buy that for a single second, so you'll have to provide me with some hefty sourceage.

And as armpits already asked: control of what?

I realize that there are monetary interests in all this, but that mostly speaks against the motivations of the AGW deniers.

However, I think you are actually being somewhat naive if you think all the people involved here are sinister powermongers who are vying for "control" - whatever kind of control that would actually be. No, I don't even think the deniers are evil either, but it's a perfectly natural reaction to defend one's income (let's just use that word), even to the point of cognitive dissonance.
And most of the proponents of AGW are just regular scientists, who I should think are fully aware of the fact that "control", in any particularly important shape or form, will never really be theirs.

You may think I'm being naive here, but I think we've all seen enough about the psychology involved in... everything... to know that people generally aren't black & white versions of good & evil.

I mean, I accept AGW, and I am pretty sure I'm not out for control, but to make a better future for our world.


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In your response to armpits, you mention that it's "control of human behavior".

If you could elaborate on that, and comment on it in light of what I have already asked?

Also, IJ has a point: your rhetoric sounds... eerily familiar.

I mean, I may think "the right" are loonies and engaging in irresponsible behavior (to put it mildly), but I don't think for a minute there is a hoax or conspiracy going on.

That is just unrealistic, and so, I think, is your claim, which is why I'd like for you to (try to) substantiate it. Otherwise I'll just dismiss it entirely, as will everyone else, I should think.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:56 am
InfernoContributorUser avatarPosts: 2298Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:36 pmLocation: Vienna, Austria Gender: Cake

Post Re: Anthropogenic global warming: biggest hoax in science

tuxbox wrote:While there is plenty of evidence that humans and modern society are contributing to global warming, there is zero evidence that humans have caused it. In fact, the evidence shows that the earth's temperature has been climbing at a steady rate since the end of the last ice age.

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It is pretty hard to dismiss evidence that does not exist. This planet's climate has always been dynamic and more than likely always will be, with or without humans.

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The evidence only supports human cause global warming if you only look at the data of the last couple of centuries and ignore the earth's entire climate history. Which is exactly what they are doing.


It is, of course, you who are disregarding evidence.
I suggest you read up on the arguments "But we're coming out of a little ica age, so it's not our fault" and "But the climate has changed before".

You accuse us of disregarding evidence (in this case the facts that climate has changed before and that there was a small ice age some time ago) when it is in fact you who is disregarding crucial evidence linked to these facts.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:09 am
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2948Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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tuxbox wrote:
Laurens wrote:
To me its simple, Humans dig up vast stores of Carbon that have been locked beneath the Earth for millions of years and then burn them at an alarming rate to release CO2 into the atmosphere. It has been known that CO2 has a warming effect for centuries. The fact that we are adding it to the atmosphere whilst also chopping down rainforests (which absorb CO2)at an equally alarming rate makes it pretty obvious that we are most likely the cause of the problem, or at least a major contributor towards it.

I'm curious to know, do you think the aforementioned activity has any affect on the climate at all?


While there is plenty of evidence that humans and modern society are contributing to global warming, there is zero evidence that humans have caused it. In fact, the evidence shows that the earth's temperature has been climbing at a steady rate since the end of the last ice age.


What evidence?

I'd like to see peer reviewed scientific papers please :)
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:33 am
InfernoContributorUser avatarPosts: 2298Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:36 pmLocation: Vienna, Austria Gender: Cake

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Laurens wrote:I'd like to see peer reviewed scientific papers please :)


Left wing conspiracy, remember that!
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:06 am
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2948Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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Inferno wrote:
Laurens wrote:I'd like to see peer reviewed scientific papers please :)


Left wing conspiracy, remember that!


Oh yes those darn lefties trying to ring in the changes that are necessary and inevitable to occur regardless of climate change...

I've already mentioned how the move towards cleaner and more renewable energy is inevitable, a left wing conspiracy isn't necessary to make that case. The fact that global warming is happening merely makes it more of a necessity that we bring about those changes sooner rather than later.

And even if there is a huge left wing conspiracy... Who stands to benefit from it? Everybody on the entire fucking planet...
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:16 am
FrengerBloggerUser avatarPosts: 831Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:50 pmLocation: Derby, UK Gender: Male

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tuxbox wrote:

While there is plenty of evidence that humans and modern society are contributing to global warming, there is zero evidence that humans have caused it. In fact, the evidence shows that the earth's temperature has been climbing at a steady rate since the end of the last ice age.


Hi tuxbox. I think you have missed quite a lot here. Although the earths temperature is erratic, in recent decades it has increased quite a bit while a lot of the contributing factors have remained at a constant. The only real major change is the amount of co2 in the atmosphere which is a well understood factor Of warming. As Lauren's has said, it's no secret that humans pump masses of co2 into the atmosphere through industry and therefore it is fair to conclude that human industry is having a negative effect on the earths climate.

Potholder made a good video about it if you want to watch it.

Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:35 am
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Master_Ghost_KnightContributorUser avatarPosts: 2630Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:57 pmLocation: Netherlands Gender: Male

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tuxbox wrote:While there is plenty of evidence that humans and modern society are contributing to global warming, there is zero evidence that humans have caused it. In fact, the evidence shows that the earth's temperature has been climbing at a steady rate since the end of the last ice age.


This is the most absurd thing I have heard this month. If you accept that humans are contributing to global warming, then you can not say on the very next sentence that there is zero evidence that humans cause global warning because in the first sentence you have already established a direct causal link between humans and global warming.
Global warming isn't a binary thing, you can't flick a switch and suddenly it is happening and neither there is a circumstance where human activity can in one instance cause global warming but in another you can just pump carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as you like without any effect. At best you could say that we are not necessarily the only thing contributing.

And it is an absurd argument to claim that because temperatures fluctuated on earth in the past that everything is alright. It is't, when it happened in the past mass-extinctions followed. It matters now because we are here now, the noose is on our neck and this time and we are responsible for it (even if we weren't responsible, pretending that it is not our problem is hardly a bright idea). The last thing we should do is pretend that nothing is wrong and kick the chair from under our feet.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:00 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2799Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: Anthropogenic global warming: biggest hoax in science

Greetings,

I think that there's quite a bit of confusion between "global climate change" and "(anthropogenic) global warming" in the minds of deniers

There is a natural process of climate change, which has occurred throughout the Earth's history.

The current cycle of climate change has been exacerbated by human activity since the "Industrial Revolution".

This is what the evidence shows and what the scientific community contends.

People, like Senator Inhofe, who denied this as a "hoax", are wrong.

Indeed, Inhofe has been shown to be dishonest in his denialism:

Inhofe's Stunning Admission To Maddow on Global Warming: 'I Thought It Must Be True Until I Found Out What It Cost"

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Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:54 pm
australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4276Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

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tuxbox wrote:Human behavior. The far left is not much different than the far right, both want to control our behavior. The only difference is how they try to accomplish it. The far right tries to do this via religion and government and the far left try via science and government.


I have a nice tin foil hat for sale. Sounds like you might like it.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:44 pm
FrengerBloggerUser avatarPosts: 831Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:50 pmLocation: Derby, UK Gender: Male

Post Re: Anthropogenic global warming: biggest hoax in science

This came up today.

I haven't read the study yet but the headline of "ex-skeptic confirms climate change is man made" is a good'n. The article has a lot of good quotes in so I think it's probably fairly accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19047501
Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:08 pm
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WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1167Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

Post Re: Anthropogenic global warming: biggest hoax in science

Surely they mean that an ex-sceptic has become a part of the conspiracy :lol:
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:31 pm
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2948Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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WarK wrote:Surely they mean that an ex-sceptic has become a part of the conspiracy :lol:


Yeah the IPCC made him sell out...
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:30 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1167Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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Laurens wrote:
WarK wrote:Surely they mean that an ex-sceptic has become a part of the conspiracy :lol:


Yeah the IPCC made him sell out...


Or he's got shares in some commie green power company.

edit:

Ok, we're joking here but how many "sceptic" blogs will say the exact same things? It's sad :(
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Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:34 pm
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2948Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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WarK wrote:
Or he's got shares in some commie green power company.

edit:

Ok, we're joking here but how many "sceptic" blogs will say the exact same things? It's sad :(


What makes me annoyed is these people are abusing the term 'sceptic'.

A sceptic isn't someone who denies mountains of evidence based on political ideologies or just for the sake of doubting it...

I wish people would call them what they are "climate change deniers".
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tuxbox wrote:Human behavior. The far left is not much different than the far right, both want to control our behavior. The only difference is how they try to accomplish it. The far right tries to do this via religion and government and the far left try via science and government.


Hmmm...so even if humans aren't causing global warming and you accept global warming is occurring on its own would you still prefer that human behavior not change accordingly just to spite our would be oppressors?

I mean what's your plan here? In your funny head, global warming is happening, but any behavioral response by society in order to curb or reverse global warming is playing into the hands of evil far left evil doers...with curly mustaches.

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Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:28 pm
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ate-change

Seems that even Richard A. Muller couldn't keep bullshitting, even when hired by an oil company to check on it, when he saw the actual numbers.
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CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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tuxbox wrote:
ImprobableJoe wrote:

Seriously. Worldwide conspiracy of "far left" scientists covering up "the truth" is right out of the creationist handbook. It isn't my fault you're falling into the same loony-toons trap.


Why else would they throw "anthropogenic" in front of global warming when the evidence does not support it?



Except... it does support it. Funny, isn't it, when an obviously ignorant anthropogenic climate change denier like yourself decides to argue against the majority of the scientific community? You should probably educate us on how exactly they're all wrong. You know, give us the hard data supporting your view and explain it.

Also you might want to consider explaining to us how, somehow, the majority of the scientific community is working together with the anarchists/communists/socialists to control us.


Put simply, you're a science denialist, conspiracy nut.
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Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:01 am
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2948Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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Its nice when people come here, start a topic then never show up again to defend their nonsense :)

I wonder what motivates them to do it?
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FrengerBloggerUser avatarPosts: 831Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:50 pmLocation: Derby, UK Gender: Male

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Laurens wrote:Its nice when people come here, start a topic then never show up again to defend their nonsense :)

I wonder what motivates them to do it?


You see, it would be nice to imagine that they went back and re-read everything and did some more research. It would be nice to imagine that's exactly what Bob is doing now.................
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CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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Frenger wrote:
Laurens wrote:Its nice when people come here, start a topic then never show up again to defend their nonsense :)

I wonder what motivates them to do it?


You see, it would be nice to imagine that they went back and re-read everything and did some more research. It would be nice to imagine that's exactly what Bob is doing now.................



No, usually when they come back it's a matter of ignoring the (possibly) several pages of discussion and addressing the latest two posts.
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