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Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for linux?

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ProlescumWebhamsterUser avatarPosts: 5009Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:41 pmLocation: Peptone-upon-Sores

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Steve Jobs recently posted a letter explaining why the iphone/ipod/ipad does not and will not support Adobe's flash (the letter), and adobe's CEO Shantanu Narayen has retorted (WSJ interview). Adobe CS5 allows you to write cross-platfom applications, and Apple doesn't like that. If it's available on apple hardware, it should ONLY be allowed on apple harware (in Apple's sandboxed worldview).

Apple have also restricted the use of programming languages, somewhat shutting out Adobe's CS5 (which was to be released with a packager to convert flash apps to work on the iphone) with their new terms for iphone/ipad SDKs.

Section 3.3.1 of the document stipulates that "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++ and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the documented APIs. This means that Adobe's 'intermediary translation/compatability layer' as Apple puts it, is not allowed.

With all this bitching and mudslinging, something is being forgotten, namely, the people who use the technology, the customers...

We've reached a point where many many people are unwilling to pay for content they've previously had for free on the proper web. Wanna watch a video? write hulu.com, youtube.com, bbc.co.uk/iplayer or whatever in the address bar and it's served in your browser, more often than not, via flash.

Apple's solution: you wanna watch video? We have an app for that and a ready-made infrastructure for you to pay; iTunes. Hate flash ads? We have a solution; iAds. This way, you know your ads are officially sanctioned and relevant and we get a cut of the dosh.

People generally don't care about such stuff, they only want what they ask for when they ask for it, and overtly forcing your customers to use paid-for apps in place of the web browser (specifically stunted by lack of flash support) will (possibly) come back to bite Apple on the arse and ironically, just isn't all that appealing to people who want simplicity.
Flash may have its issues, but it's something so widely used that replacing at the behest of a single company (Apple) who thinks it can force the adoption of HTML5 before it is standardised purely because industry insiders are buying the argument that the ipad is the future of home computing (lol) is just outrageous.

But what about Linux? Sitting at the back of the class giggling at the wide-eye ignorance of its classmates, magpies entranced by the shine of a golden cufflink. Linux sits comfortably in the knowledge that a company looking for an open, cross-platform system will eventually ask him what he's laughing at, to which he replies, "well if you're looking at a competitor for the iphone/ipad's OS, there's webOS, maemo and android which all run on Linux. I can do practically anything you can conceive of within the limits of my hardware (and sometimes exceed this). I've been here a long time, but I don't follow a particular path to profit, I prefer to just do that which is asked of me and allow anyone to change me as they see fit using a language they're comfortable with. When you're finally annoyed enough with the alternatives, their patents and homogeneous, controlled environment, I'll still be here."

My view is that Apple sees the imminent death of the desktop (yeah right...), Microsoft fears the death of the Windows home PC and gives its Windows and mobile offerings some triage in the hope of skirting obsolescence, Linux smiles and gives away its hard work for free, breathing life back into your old computers, allows for bleeding edge software on practically any of your hardware and doesn't mind if you share it with your mates. Is it time to move away from the seemingly pointless to and fro from the two big OS makers and use a genuinely open system?

There's an old joke whose punchline goes, '...this is the year of desktop Linux', perhaps this is the year Linux gets face-time with the public at large.

Here's hoping anyway.
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FaithlessThinkerUser avatarPosts: 618Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:41 am Gender: Cake

Post Re: Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for lin

Well written.

Indeed, Android has already caught up with iOS and I believe will soon take over it.

Apple's selling point is the sexiness of their devices. That the iPhone looks so cool is enough reason for the average Nokia 3300 user to shell out her (yea more women than men go for Apple stuff) credit card and make the purchase.

But as customers get more educated regarding the monopolies of Apple (and Microsoft) and the openness of Google's Android (and others), the migration from iOS to open source alternatives will slowly but surely happen.

Steve Jobs' tyranny will backfire on him. And Bill Gates may stick with computers. He made a come back with WP7 after an uncomfortably long silence, but who knows how long he can stay current.

I just got my HTC Desire HD with Android 2.2 and I'm loving how cool it is.

My next move is to have some kind of ad on my phone or casing that says "Adobe Flash - what your iPhone is missing." If you ask me why, it's because I'm so sick and tired of seeing iPhone in hands of almost everyone around me. It's just so over-rated!
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Post Re: Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for lin

When developing a piece of software, cross-plataform compatibility is a subject of concern (because different people use diferent platforms acording to their needs and wath the platform has to offer), content is build for the masses not for an undemanding minority. In this case standing out of the crowd which is not acompanied by a technological inovation is a very negative thing becaus it generaly means that you will be left out.
Windows OS is very versatile, it benefits from being massified and as such it has a range of applications like no other and can accomodate both commercial and free software. But most importantly it makes a really good effort of being compatible with most components a possible. Linux on the other hand has siniority, developmet components are delivered from instalment which provides a good incubation platform for aspiering software designers, leading to independent inovations. Even tough not as public savy and easy to use as windows it is free and open source enabeling anyone to develop their own components without any aditional cost and thus with agreat room for versatility (altough that is put a bit on the side due to the amateurish nature of a non-profitable platform). Mac on the other hand is mostly comercial in nature, it doesn't strive to be versatile and in fact versatility is frowned uppon. They run away from uniformity so you can only use their components on their machines, there is no inovation to be had. The only benefit I can point out on a Mac is its shiny apearence, almost anyone trys to imulate on the machine windows or linux for one purpouse or other, no one try's to emulate a Mac, I wonder why?

Many people overhype the Machintosh products with excessive smugness to it, I just hope people start to realise that the king is naked and perhaps then Mac can produce something that worths being smug about.
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Post Re: Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for lin

Prolescum wrote:There's an old joke whose punchline goes, '...this is the year of desktop Linux', perhaps this is the year Linux gets face-time with the public at large.

I threw ubuntu on my girlfriend's laptop. It mostly worked, two major hangups were: flash didn't want to work properly (it didn't like to register clicks properly, or generally input), and no microsoft office which is too ubiquitous for her to go without (open office just not good enough).
Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:34 am
ProlescumWebhamsterUser avatarPosts: 5009Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:41 pmLocation: Peptone-upon-Sores

Post Re: Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for lin

I don't even remember writing this...
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CosmicSporkLeague LegendUser avatarPosts: 929Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:36 pmLocation: UK Gender: Cake

Post Re: Is the Adobe/Apple spat an opportunity for a win for lin

Prolescum wrote:I don't even remember writing this...


lol

Btw: The rules have been revised recently and the CS5 iOS packager is now allowed to be used again. Whether this allows room for Flash itself to be supported remains to be seen really.
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