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MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 550Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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momo666 wrote:I am finding myself in a bit of a maze when trying to "prove" the inaccurate statements in the Quran. You often hear Muslims claim how their book contains scientific knowledge that could not have possibly be discovered in that age, ergo some superior intelligence must have dictated it.

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Are there any of our peers dealing with this subject or Islam in particular ? I remember seeing Aron Ra having a brief exchange with that Hamza guy (...what a lunatic) but other than that, not much. Maybe I have not looked enough ?

Having been raised christian in a (at the time) mostly christian culture, I am not in any way knowledgeable about what the Quran says about scientific issues. I would assume it has similar "scientific claims" as the bible, in that if you interpret it by ignoring what it says and insert what you want, then it makes sense scientifically.

I often have to remind Christians that a circle is flat, not spherical. My 5 year old niece can figure it out, why can't they?

thenexttodie wrote:Right, and this information was retained long enough for Mohamud to copy it from the jews and he pretended to be a prophet. Or maybe Satan gave him this information. Who knows?

If they had some such wondrous information, couldn't they and wouldn't they have put it to book instead of holding it as oral traditions until Muhammad stumbled upon it to used it to become a false prophet? Or was Satan somehow in such a conspiracy and god let him get away with it?

thenexttodie wrote:It is not enough to show that Allah is the true god and we should all worship him.

Something I find christians and muslims have in common.

thenexttodie wrote:
momo666 wrote:You will often hear how some verse that is false when read literally, when read in a poetic way it can express a truth. For example, the Quran does not say that the Earth was created before the stars..


Amazing!

At least, that's one mistake they didn't copy from Genesis.

thenexttodie wrote:
WarK wrote: Science has discovered how the solar system was created.


This is absolutely false. I'm sure that there are even other Atheists on this forum who know this is not true but they don't have the balls to tell you that you are wrong.

How is it absolutely false? I don't know this is not true so please educate me.

Science was the method which was used to discover how solar systems are created.
How is that "absolutely false"?
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Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:55 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2204Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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momo666 wrote:Also is there a fallacy that describes creating a part of a system (Earth) before the system (Universe) ?


No. The neck of my guitar was built before my guitar.
Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:36 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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MarsCydonia wrote:If they had some such wondrous information, couldn't they and wouldn't they have put it to book instead of holding it as oral traditions until Muhammad stumbled upon it to used it to become a false prophet? Or was Satan somehow in such a conspiracy and god let him get away with it?
I don't know.

thenexttodie wrote:It is not enough to show that Allah is the true god and we should all worship him.

MarsCydonia wrote:Something I find christians and muslims have in common.
That's a good point!
Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:59 pm
momo666Posts: 28Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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I should have expressed myself more clearly. And it appears I have made some pretty huge mistakes by not describing my question more precisely. I get from your responses that saying that I created the Earth, and then I created the Universe is not fallacious logically even though it is still wrong ?
So my claim is false but I have not committed any fallacy ?
What about the following: Creating part of a system(B) that all the evidence shows that the said part arised after the formation of the system (A).

On a side note. Would I be correct in saying that there are only three possibilities when it comes to the creation of the Earth/Universe and the time markers involved ?
Either the Earth was created after the Universe.
Either the Universe was created after the Earth.
Either both were created simultaneously.

IF I have not screwed up again. Wouldn't it mean that by claiming that I created the Earth and the Universe, without including one of the three time markers (ex. I created the Universe, *after that* I created the Earth) I am doing something wrong?
Is this lack of information which turns the claim so vague that it no longer conveys any message enough to pin on it some fallacy or some attack at its validity ? I myself don't see how but maybe you can so I thought it was worth to ask.
Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:55 pm
australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4276Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

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thenexttodie wrote:
WarK wrote: Science has discovered how the solar system was created.


This is absolutely false. I'm sure that there are even other Atheists on this forum who know this is not true but they don't have the balls to tell you that you are wrong.



Here we see the uneducated individual attempt reverse psychology poorly.

We do know how the solar system formed, what's more we're currently observing the processes around other stars. At least but some effort I to being an edgelord.
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he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3164Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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australopithecus wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:This is absolutely false. I'm sure that there are even other Atheists on this forum who know this is not true but they don't have the balls to tell you that you are wrong.



Here we see the uneducated individual attempt reverse psychology poorly.

We do know how the solar system formed, what's more we're currently observing the processes around other stars. At least but some effort I to being an edgelord.


Formation and evolution of the Solar System.
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australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4276Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

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Something something balls, something something admitting you're wrong, something something.
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he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3164Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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australopithecus wrote:Something something balls, something something admitting you're wrong, something something.


It reads like thenexttodie, but it says australopithecus. I am so confused.
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thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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australopithecus wrote:We do know how the solar system formed.


No you don't. Nebular Hypothesis has not been verified and there is no known method for planetary accretion to occur.
Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:35 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2204Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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There's this thing, you may even have heard of it, called 'gravity'. Formalised in the 17th century and clarified in the early 20th.

Do try to keep up.
Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:29 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3164Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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hackenslash wrote:There's this thing, you may even have heard of it, called 'gravity'. Formalised in the 17th century and clarified in the early 20th.

Do try to keep up.




Can you believe I cannot find this a a gif?
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thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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hackenslash wrote:There's this thing, you may even have heard of it, called 'gravity'. Formalised in the 17th century and clarified in the early 20th.


Yes I have heard of gravity. I think it's really dumb that you make such a post, as if it refutes anything I said.

You do not know how the solar system was formed. Nebular hypothesis has not be verified and the method of planetary accretion is unknown.
Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:43 pm
AkamiaUser avatarPosts: 65Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:41 pmLocation: Alaska Gender: Time Lord

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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:There's this thing, you may even have heard of it, called 'gravity'. Formalised in the 17th century and clarified in the early 20th.


Yes I have heard of gravity. I think it's really dumb that you make such a post, as if it refutes anything I said.

You do not know how the solar system was formed. Nebular hypothesis has not be verified and the method of planetary accretion is unknown.

Repeating yourself doesn't make it true, you know.


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Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:08 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2204Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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thenexttodie wrote:Yes I have heard of gravity. I think it's really dumb that you make such a post, as if it refutes anything I said.


Not massively interested in what you think, to be honest. It does refute what you said.

You do not know how the solar system was formed. Nebular hypothesis has not be verified and the method of planetary accretion is unknown.


Absolute nonsense. The process is observed at all stages.
Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:37 am
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 677Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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he_who_is_nobody wrote:


Can you believe I cannot find this a a gif?

Well you can't sound a gif. Though I didn't find that as a motivational poster or a meme either. I suppose it just has to a video to do it justice, and I can't argue with that.
Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:55 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:You do not know how the solar system was formed. Nebular hypothesis has not be verified and the method of planetary accretion is unknown.


hackenslash wrote: The process is observed at all stages.


Oh now we have observed it all happening? Do you have a source for this? Because I think this would take millions of years of observation.
Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:26 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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momo666 wrote:I should have expressed myself more clearly. And it appears I have made some pretty huge mistakes by not describing my question more precisely. I get from your responses that saying that I created the Earth, and then I created the Universe is not fallacious logically even though it is still wrong ?
So my claim is false but I have not committed any fallacy ?
What about the following: Creating part of a system(B) that all the evidence shows that the said part arised after the formation of the system (A).

On a side note. Would I be correct in saying that there are only three possibilities when it comes to the creation of the Earth/Universe and the time markers involved ?
Either the Earth was created after the Universe.
Either the Universe was created after the Earth.
Either both were created simultaneously.

IF I have not screwed up again. Wouldn't it mean that by claiming that I created the Earth and the Universe, without including one of the three time markers (ex. I created the Universe, *after that* I created the Earth) I am doing something wrong?
Is this lack of information which turns the claim so vague that it no longer conveys any message enough to pin on it some fallacy or some attack at its validity ? I myself don't see how but maybe you can so I thought it was worth to ask.


This has to be a fucking joke. You honestly came here to ask us to help you make your bullshit religion sound more believable?

It is not the cosmology of Quran which makes Islam so repulsive, more so it is the fact Mohammud was a lying, thieving bastard.

Is it true that he said most people are hell because they do not pee like girls?
Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:53 pm
australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4276Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote: The process is observed at all stages.


Oh now we have observed it all happening? Do you have a source for this? Because I think this would take millions of years of observation.


What you think is irrelevant. The sum total knowledge of stellar formation is not dependent on your opinion. To quote you:

thenexttodie wrote: I am not educated enough to really understand hardly any of it.
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thenexttodiePosts: 607Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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I think that when people see how your feelings led you to take a completely unrelated quote from me from a completely unrelated thread, most of them will rationalize this as evidence of your inability to think. Even your friends on this forum will secretly think this. How much marijuana do you smoke each day?
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:40 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 550Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:I think that when people see how your feelings led you to take a completely unrelated quote from me from a completely unrelated thread, most of them will rationalize this as evidence of your inability to think. Even your friends on this forum will secretly think this. How much marijuana do you smoke each day?

Even if that would be true (rather than a fantasy on your part), why should he care?

You care little about how you look and how you make christians look, so if you don't care, why should he?
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