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Nesslig20User avatarPosts: 259Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:44 pm Gender: Male

Post Re: Let's talk about Islam

thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:You do not know how the solar system was formed. Nebular hypothesis has not be verified and the method of planetary accretion is unknown.


hackenslash wrote: The process is observed at all stages.


Oh now we have observed it all happening? Do you have a source for this? Because I think this would take millions of years of observation.


He said we have observed all stages, not observed one solar system going through all stages.

To make an analogy, try to imagine that a species lived for millions of years and that an infant growing up into an adult takes allot longer than you can live. In fact observing one individual throughout your life time, would not show much aging. However, you have many individuals that all are of different ages and that gives you the clue of how they age, even when you have never observed one individual going from infant to adult.

Apart from discovering other solar systems with their own planets (I mean hundreds in just a few decades) we also have observed protoplanetary disks with young stars, or in normal english. Just very young solar systems with a sun and a big dust cloud circling around it due to

GRAVITY YOU FUCKING RETARD!!! - with kind regards, desertphile

and thus is in the process that the nebular hypothesis proposes.
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:55 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2542Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:I think that when people see how your feelings led you to take a completely unrelated quote from me from a completely unrelated thread, most of them will rationalize this as evidence of your inability to think. Even your friends on this forum will secretly think this. How much marijuana do you smoke each day?



No?

What I'm thinking, though, is quite open, obvious and un-secret.
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Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:19 pm
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3244Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Nesslig20 wrote:To make an analogy, try to imagine that a species lived for millions of years and that an infant growing up into an adult takes allot longer than you can live. In fact observing one individual throughout your life time, would not show much aging. However, you have many individuals that all are of different ages and that gives you the clue of how they age, even when you have never observed one individual going from infant to adult.


Use redwoods, no imagination need.
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DustniteUser avatarPosts: 517Joined: Wed May 27, 2009 9:11 pm Gender: Cake

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nexttodie's Rules of Conversation:

  1. Never take any nuanced positions. Everything that exists in life is black and white.
  2. Repeat false or dumb claims ad nauseum. If anything is fractally wrong, go deeper into wrongness.
  3. Troll. Because why be honest with yourself and others?
"But this is irrelevant because in either case, whether a god exists or not, whether your God (with a capital G) exists or not, it doesn't matter. We both are, in either case, evolved apes. " - Nesslig20
Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:08 pm
Steelmage99Posts: 150Joined: Thu May 28, 2015 9:43 am Gender: Male

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he_who_is_nobody wrote:
Nesslig20 wrote:To make an analogy, try to imagine that a species lived for millions of years and that an infant growing up into an adult takes allot longer than you can live. In fact observing one individual throughout your life time, would not show much aging. However, you have many individuals that all are of different ages and that gives you the clue of how they age, even when you have never observed one individual going from infant to adult.


Use redwoods, no imagination need.


An adult biologist having the opportunity to observe the entire lifespan of a great tortoise can also be tricky. :)
Blunder that theists make all the time;

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Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:13 pm
australopithecusAdministratorUser avatarPosts: 4277Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:27 pmLocation: Kernow Gender: Time Lord

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thenexttodie wrote: How much marijuana do you smoke each day?


None, I'm teetotal. Never been high, never been drunk. I do drink quite a bit of tea, though. Now, ad hominem aside, and given your consistent inability to grasp simple concepts or behave like someone who isn't a 13 year old, why should anyone here, or anywhere, take your opinion on stellar formation seriously?
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Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:01 pm
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1095Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:
australopithecus wrote:We do know how the solar system formed.


No you don't. Nebular Hypothesis has not been verified and there is no known method for planetary accretion to occur.

Holy FUCK that is one impressively ignorant statement.

G R A V I T Y.
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Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:43 am
thenexttodiePosts: 730Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Rumraket wrote:Holy FUCK that is one impressively ignorant statement.

G R A V I T Y.


Gravity only works if you believe in things which we can not detect, like dark matter.
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:45 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1176Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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thenexttodie wrote:
Rumraket wrote:Holy FUCK that is one impressively ignorant statement.

G R A V I T Y.


Gravity only works if you believe in things which we can not detect, like dark matter.


Hmmm. Didn't know that. Why do apples fall from trees?
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:05 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2315Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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thenexttodie wrote:
Rumraket wrote:Holy FUCK that is one impressively ignorant statement.

G R A V I T Y.


Gravity only works if you believe in things which we can not detect, like dark matter.


We can detect dark matter.
Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:15 pm
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australopithecus wrote:[
hackenslash wrote: The process is observed at all stages.


Oh now we have observed it all happening? Do you have a source for this? Because I think this would take millions of years of observation.


What you think is irrelevant. The sum total knowledge of stellar formation is not dependent on your opinion. To quote you:

thenexttodie wrote: I am not educated enough to really understand hardly any of it.


Just a question, but I admit in advance that I don't understand much about the formation of the solar system......


if all planets came from the same dost cloud, shouldn't all planets be similar? ........shouldn't they all have more less the same ratio of elements?
"events with a zero probability happen all the time"
Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:16 am
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2542Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Leroy...

First, what just happened witht the quotes in your above post?
Looks like you messed them both up.

Second, your question about planetary formation:
No. Why would they? There is no reason the dust cloud would have a totally even distribution of elements to begin with, but more importantly, once gravity starts working on the cloud - as the center becomes more dense - it's going to attract differently on the various elements, depending on their weight. And once the sun is "turned on", solar winds will do the same, just in the opposite direction.
That's at least the basic knowledge I have on it, without looking into it. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:06 am
Grumpy SantaPosts: 382Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

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Gnug215 wrote:Leroy...

First, what just happened witht the quotes in your above post?
Looks like you messed them both up.

Second, your question about planetary formation:
No. Why would they? There is no reason the dust cloud would have a totally even distribution of elements to begin with, but more importantly, once gravity starts working on the cloud - as the center becomes more dense - it's going to attract differently on the various elements, depending on their weight. And once the sun is "turned on", solar winds will do the same, just in the opposite direction.
That's at least the basic knowledge I have on it, without looking into it. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.


(Mass, not weight. Sorry, picking nits. :D )

It really wouldn't be possible from my understanding to even have a totally even distribution of elements. If you think of a giant cloud in space, as a whole it's going to have a gravity which will be pulling unevenly on particles over varying distances. Plus any rotation in the cloud means you'll have particles moving faster and faster the closer you get to the center, and a particle moving even slightly faster than one a hair further away will catch up to it and allow their combine gravity to have an effect on each other, allowing clumping to begin.
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:40 pm
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Grumpy Santa wrote:
Gnug215 wrote:Leroy...

First, what just happened witht the quotes in your above post?
Looks like you messed them both up.

Second, your question about planetary formation:
No. Why would they? There is no reason the dust cloud would have a totally even distribution of elements to begin with, but more importantly, once gravity starts working on the cloud - as the center becomes more dense - it's going to attract differently on the various elements, depending on their weight. And once the sun is "turned on", solar winds will do the same, just in the opposite direction.
That's at least the basic knowledge I have on it, without looking into it. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.


(Mass, not weight. Sorry, picking nits. :D )

It really wouldn't be possible from my understanding to even have a totally even distribution of elements. If you think of a giant cloud in space, as a whole it's going to have a gravity which will be pulling unevenly on particles over varying distances. Plus any rotation in the cloud means you'll have particles moving faster and faster the closer you get to the center, and a particle moving even slightly faster than one a hair further away will catch up to it and allow their combine gravity to have an effect on each other, allowing clumping to begin.


perhaps the galaxy as a whole is homogenous our solar system is simply too small compared to the size of the whole, the sample is not statistically significant.

if you look at the whole forest in an airplane, you'll note that the forest looks more less the same in all directions, with more less the same amount of trees, animals, rocks etc. ......but if you look just an specific square inch, you will find a ratio of elements that is completely different form the ratio of the whole forest.

Maybe that is the answer.
"events with a zero probability happen all the time"
Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:16 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2542Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Grumpy Santa wrote:
Gnug215 wrote:Leroy...

First, what just happened witht the quotes in your above post?
Looks like you messed them both up.

Second, your question about planetary formation:
No. Why would they? There is no reason the dust cloud would have a totally even distribution of elements to begin with, but more importantly, once gravity starts working on the cloud - as the center becomes more dense - it's going to attract differently on the various elements, depending on their weight. And once the sun is "turned on", solar winds will do the same, just in the opposite direction.
That's at least the basic knowledge I have on it, without looking into it. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.


(Mass, not weight. Sorry, picking nits. :D )


Well yes, but you see... when dealing with creationists, you need to use more regular, every day terms instead of sciency terms. And the term "mass" will just confuse them even more, for obvious reasons.


Yeah, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:42 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2542Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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leroy wrote:perhaps the galaxy as a whole is homogenous our solar system is simply too small compared to the size of the whole, the sample is not statistically significant.

if you look at the whole forest in an airplane, you'll note that the forest looks more less the same in all directions, with more less the same amount of trees, animals, rocks etc. ......but if you look just an specific square inch, you will find a ratio of elements that is completely different form the ratio of the whole forest.

Maybe that is the answer.


And maybe you're trying to over-philosophise and over-simplify a phenomenon that in all likelihood has perfectly regular, yet maybe fairly complicated, scientific explanations?
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:57 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 730Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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hackenslash wrote:We can detect dark matter.


How?
Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:50 pm
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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:We can detect dark matter.


How?



if we define dark matter as, a source of gravity that cant be observed there are at least 2 independent lines of evidence that prove the existence of dark matter

1 there is not enough regular matter for keep the galaxies spinning

2 gravitation lenses, we do see a distortion of space that is not caused by observed matter.


my hypothesis is that scientist will find out that dark matter is something simple, boring and stupid, people from the future will laugh at us, for believing that there is a deep and interesting secret related to dark matter.
"events with a zero probability happen all the time"
Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:14 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2315Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:We can detect dark matter.


How?


Observations of galaxies, especially smaller galaxies, in which the stars in the halo are orbiting the galactic centre so fast that they should escape to infinity.
Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:10 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 730Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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hackenslash wrote:
Observations of galaxies, especially smaller galaxies, in which the stars in the halo are orbiting the galactic centre so fast that they should escape to infinity.


Isn't this just making something up in order to make your model of cosmology work? Black holes are said to only make up I think less than 20% of all supposed dark matter.
Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:18 pm
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