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Worldwide celebration of Christ's resurrection.
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Steelmage99Posts: 122Joined: Thu May 28, 2015 9:43 am Gender: Male

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leroy wrote:but why in a limited sense? why are humans more important than animals, plants or bacteria?


Yes, I believe that humans are more important to me than animals, plants or bacteria.

I can think of several factors that I believe has influenced that stance;

1. Bias. I am a member of the human race, so I cannot escape a certain bias. Placing importance in your own race (humankind) is a survival mechanism.

2. Human characteristics. Human's intelligence, our tool use, our nuanced sense of feelings and desires and, not least, our well-developed language (allowing us have complex communication with each other about the aforementioned characteristics) sets us apart from all other animals.
The fact that we can use an electronic device to communicate use a huge network is an indication of how we are different.
Our ability to use acquired knowledge to strategize and plan about issues or problems that we have never encountered before also sets us apart. Our ability to communicate (both verbally and in writing) helps immensely in that. We can learn from almost anybody irrespective of place and time.
All of the above allows humans to have a greater impact, good or bad, on the world than other animals - making us more important.

3. Societal rules. We have moved beyond pure instincts, putting us in a different position than other animals. Some social animals seems to have some sort of social conventions, but nothing as complicated as we have. For instance we have developed a system of law that tries to have punishments fitting the crime and engendering a sense of justice in the group/tribe/country.
We don't simply have the strongest or the entire tribe punish a trespasser of the societal rules by beating them or killing them. We attempt to dispassionately and objectively determine guilt (if any) and allow the accused to defend themselves and argue their case.
This makes us special (and more important) compared to other animals and forms of life.


should we kill 10 wolves just to save a single human being? .............if yes..............why?


Yes. See above.

and what if this single human is an old man, that consumes more products and services than what he produces?.............(his net contribution to society is negative).........would you change your answer?

No, I would not. I do not reduce the "value" (however you want to measure it) of a human being to a societal cost/benefit analysis. The thought of such a way of thinking or a society based on such principles is rather terrifying.


my point is why are you putting humans in a special category, as if humans where different from other animals in a meaningful way?


Because I believe that humans (while animals) ARE different from other animals in a meaningful way.


the question was originally for Laurens, but others are free to answer,


Why did you quote me then? Did you pose the same question to Laurens earlier?
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LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2934Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote: Impinge upon who?


Other people.

Right, your ideas about sexually demand we should pretend men are women and visa versa.


I'm not advocating pretending anything. All it is is respecting what someone wants to identify as. Someone wants to be identified as a man, I refer to them as 'he' I'm not forcing myself to believe or pretend anything, I'm just accepting what they want to call themselves.
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thenexttodiePosts: 567Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Laurens wrote:
I'm not advocating pretending anything. All it is is respecting what someone wants to identify as. Someone wants to be identified as a man, I refer to them as 'he' I'm not forcing myself to believe or pretend anything, I'm just accepting what they want to call themselves.


So you don't believe that someone like Bruce Jenner is really a women?
Sun May 21, 2017 10:52 pm
LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2934Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:
Laurens wrote:
I'm not advocating pretending anything. All it is is respecting what someone wants to identify as. Someone wants to be identified as a man, I refer to them as 'he' I'm not forcing myself to believe or pretend anything, I'm just accepting what they want to call themselves.


So you don't believe that someone like Bruce Jenner is really a women?


I believe that Caitlin Jenner was born biologically as a male. I'm not going to deny that fact of history. However I respect her wishes to now identify as female.
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thenexttodiePosts: 567Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Is he a male or a female? It's a simple question.
Mon May 22, 2017 3:02 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 493Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:Is he a male or a female? It's a simple question.

Your confusing sex and gender again. Do you understand that genitalia and gender are not the same thing?

For exemple, both you and Jenner have male genitalia but neither of you are what I would call a man.
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Mon May 22, 2017 3:29 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2767Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

He obviously didn't read my post on sexuality.

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Mon May 22, 2017 3:52 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 567Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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So you all understand that Jenner is not really a woman? You just refer to him as a woman because you are pretending he's female.

I mean that's what you are doing right? If so, so be it. Why are you scared to admit it?
Mon May 22, 2017 5:13 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2492Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:So you all understand that Jenner is not really a woman? You just refer to him as a woman because you are pretending he's female.

I mean that's what you are doing right? If so, so be it. Why are you scared to admit it?



For the love of crap...

Stop acting like a total jerk and go read Dragan's post on sex.

Educate yourself!

There is science to back this stuff up! Stop being so goddamn backwards!
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Grumpy SantaPosts: 347Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:27 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:So you all understand that Jenner is not really a woman? You just refer to him as a woman because you are pretending he's female.

I mean that's what you are doing right? If so, so be it. Why are you scared to admit it?


Wait, are you talking gender or sex? I suspect there's some confusion on your part between the two.
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