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Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2561Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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So, another video is out from TheraminTrees.

He always makes great stuff, but this one somehow seemed even more powerful and hard-hitting than usual.

Let me know what you think if you watch it.

Creating Sickness - Recovering from Religion:

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Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:44 pm
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Aye it is well made. I've always enjoyed his vids whenever I've seen them - him or (his alter-ego/brother?) QualiaSoup.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:00 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2561Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Sparhafoc wrote:Aye it is well made. I've always enjoyed his vids whenever I've seen them - him or (his alter-ego/brother?) QualiaSoup.


Heh, yeah, I never quite found out if they were two people, or one and the same.

Which ever, both great.
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Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:20 pm
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If they are brothers, I would bet even their own mother would struggle to differentiate between them on the phone. Their voices are exactly the same.
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The good old Abrahamic guilt/shame manufacturing operation gets shut down in the above and I think references this quote from the play Mustafa by Baron Brooke Fulke Greville, which I think is worth sharing even if most have already seen it:

O wearisome condition of humanity!
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity;
Created sick, commanded to be sound.
What meaneth nature by these diverse laws?
Passion and reason, self-division cause.
Is it the mark or majesty of power
To make offenses that it may forgive?
Nature herself doth her own self deflower
To hate those errors she herself doth give.
For how should man think that he may not do,
If nature did not fail and punish, too?
Tyrant to others, to herself unjust,
Only commands things difficult and hard,
Forbids us all things which it knows is lust,
Makes easy pains, unpossible reward.
If nature did not take delight in blood,
She would have made more easy ways to good.
We that are bound by vows and by promotion,
With pomp of holy sacrifice and rites,
To teach belief in good and still devotion,
To preach of heaven’s wonders and delights;
Yet when each of us in his own heart looks
He finds the God there, far unlike his books.
Beliefs are, by definition, things we don't know to be true.
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:24 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2561Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Sparhafoc wrote:The good old Abrahamic guilt/shame manufacturing operation gets shut down in the above and I think references this quote from the play Mustafa by Baron Brooke Fulke Greville, which I think is worth sharing even if most have already seen it:

O wearisome condition of humanity!
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity;
Created sick, commanded to be sound.
What meaneth nature by these diverse laws?
Passion and reason, self-division cause.
Is it the mark or majesty of power
To make offenses that it may forgive?
Nature herself doth her own self deflower
To hate those errors she herself doth give.
For how should man think that he may not do,
If nature did not fail and punish, too?
Tyrant to others, to herself unjust,
Only commands things difficult and hard,
Forbids us all things which it knows is lust,
Makes easy pains, unpossible reward.
If nature did not take delight in blood,
She would have made more easy ways to good.
We that are bound by vows and by promotion,
With pomp of holy sacrifice and rites,
To teach belief in good and still devotion,
To preach of heaven’s wonders and delights;
Yet when each of us in his own heart looks
He finds the God there, far unlike his books.



That's nice, powerful and on the nose.
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:35 pm
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While the 'created sick' line is probably the most apposite to the thread's topic, my favourite lines in terms of incisiveness are "Is it the mark or majesty of power To make offenses that it may forgive? Nature herself doth her own self deflower To hate those errors she herself doth give." - that really pulls the rug out from Christianity explicitly, but is so very true of all the guilt/shame religions.

So, a perfect, all powerful, all knowing, omni-creator either a) intentionally built the universe so that there was disease, death, pain, starvation, depredation, child cancer and all the other terrible things that cause such distress in living organism, meaning that creator actively designed these systems, thought about how to implement them, and intentionally chose to add them all as components in its creation.... or b) is innocent of the intent to do so, but must have bungled repeatedly, exemplified if by nothing else than the notion that it chose to create an organism at the pinnacle of its creation, and made it naive, curious, and wilful.... yet divinely predicted a different outcome.

Of course, there's also the problem of any such being able to know everything, including all preceding causes and all consequent outcomes, because by its own stated ontology, it must have known what would happen with the figurative tree, and planned the entire universe around this. All the systems of pain, torture, and physical violence were already in place waiting for the unwitting actors to play their parts.


Cognitive dissonance all the way down!
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Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:19 am
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