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VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:Hey HWIN I dont think you ever answered this question; What would have happened to slaves in this region if they were not allowed to be slaves anymore?

Does anyone want to answer this?

I fail to see how this is a point for slavery. If slavery was aknowledged to be wrong from the start there wouldn't be slaves to be freed.

Also: "if they were not allowed to be slaves anymore"? So now slavery is not only morally correct, but actually a good thing where the slave allowed the slaveowners to own and treat them as property? You are actually going to blame the victim, are you? How very Christian of you (apologists like WLC do it all the time, even with genocide). Remind me again, why should I talk morality with a person that has none?
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thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Anyone?
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thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?


Why don't you do it yourself? Compare an average life of a non-slave from that period to an average life of a slave from the same period.

Would you rather be a slave or a free man?
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:38 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 826Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?

The Israëlites would have let them die? Or would have slaugthered all of them? What do you think the Israëlites would have done to the people they wanted to own as property?

What is so hard for moral-degenerate slavery-apologists to get here? These attempts to say it was for the benefit of the slaves? Different cultures through history managed to do without owning slaves, why couldn't the Israëlites?
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Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Slavery outlined in bible.

Your problem : comparing the kidnapping of blacks and shipped to the west in holds to biblical slavery

Spoiler alert: it's not

The solution: read the whole chapter... the whole book.


You saying Bernhard the slavery apologist = Bernhard agrees employees/employer relationship

You ever watch pro sports? People are bought.
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:59 pm
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Slavery outlined in bible.

Your problem : comparing the kidnapping of blacks and shipped to the west in holds to biblical slavery

Spoiler alert: it's not

The solution: read the whole chapter... the whole book.

Bible specifically endorses of kidnapping slaves from non-hebrew nations. There is no moral difference between these two examples. Heck, there is pretty much no practical difference between the two.

You saying Bernhard the slavery apologist = Bernhard agrees employees/employer relationship

You ever watch pro sports? People are bought.

Nope. Nope nope nope.

As explained many, many times: PEOPLE ARE NOT BOUGHT AND SOLD AS PROPERTY IN MODERN SPORTS!!! You, sir, are lying.

Other than that, welcome back Bernhard. :D
Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:25 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?

MarsCydonia wrote:The Israëlites would have let them die?


Good Mars! This make me think you might be only 99% retarded and 100% like I thought before.
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SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?


*ahem*

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Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:13 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?

MarsCydonia wrote:The Israëlites would have let them die?


Good Mars! Thinks make me think you might be only 99% retarded and 100% like I thought before.



Considering your answer, I would be very cautious about calling people retards if I were you.
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:14 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 826Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Anyone?

MarsCydonia wrote:The Israëlites would have let them die?


Good Mars! Thinks make me think you might be only 99% retarded and 100% like I thought before.

Because if the Israëlites couldn't own human beings as property, better to let them die.

I don't think scum like you can recognize retardation in a human being.

But thank you for showing how christianity made you discard anything we could call human in you.
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SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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MarsCydonia wrote:Because if the Israëlites couldn't own human beings as property, better to let them die.


It's truly perplexing. Like all those human beings couldn't have lived for themselves without the benevolent Israelites taking care of them.

This argument echoes the pro-slavery arguments leading up to the American Civil War.

But we own those semi-people for their own good!
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:17 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 826Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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Sparhafoc wrote: But we own those semi-people for their own good!
I seriously do not understand what point thenexttodie thought he was making there.

"The Israelites were not just immoral. Think, if they didn't own people as property, they would just let them die. So they in fact profoundly immoral. Vile even, like myself".

Quite the success he had there.
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VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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MarsCydonia wrote:
Sparhafoc wrote: But we own those semi-people for their own good!
I seriously do not understand what point thenexttodie thought he was making there.

"The Israelites were not just immoral. Think, if they didn't own people as property, they would just let them die. So they in fact profoundly immoral. Vile even, like myself".

Quite the success he had there.

I'm perplexed also. It's like he is saying that the slaves were better having their families murdered, being kidnapped and used and abused as property because the murders, kidnappers and abusers would not take care of them, so to speak, unless they were their property. Was not murdering, kidnapping and abusing not an option? And this is supposed to be the defense of a all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God who not only condoned but ordered that slavery? That is some weak sauce apologists.
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:04 am
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Sadly, TNTD's sleeping on the job.

Slavery or death?

Look! He picked slavery, so slavery is clearly the better option!
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Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:37 am
CollecemallPosts: 338Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

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Sparhafoc wrote:Sadly, TNTD's sleeping on the job.

Slavery or death?

Look! He picked slavery, so slavery is clearly the better option!


To be fair it's at least as good as the plan their all powerful super gawd put in the official manual.

It's almost like they read the lolcat bible for their version of slavery though. "Wen Ceiling Cat, (yur dood, remmebrer), finally! givz u yur stuffz, an ur cheezburgers, tat he pramisseded yur foredaddys, yu can haz ur own roomz, wit cheezburgers almitey!11 U will has housez filled wit catnip an other good stuff lyke taht, but u no build it. U also has wine plantz (cuz we all loves teh wine), but u no plant it. U are eatin teh cheezburger and u lyke it.12 But Ceiling Cat DO NOT WANT taht u forget him (hes yure d00d afer al). He took u out of Egypt, teh place of slavery (which jest meens no cheezburgers)"

I mean srsly! is not having cheeseburgers all that terrible? That's all slavery is after all.
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thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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MarsCydonia wrote:Because if the Israëlites couldn't own human beings as property, better to let them die.


Most of the slaves then were not owned by the Israelites.

Again, we are talking about a time where there would have been little opportunity for private economic ventures. As I said before, the majority of wealth was held by rulers of small kingdoms or leaders of tribes. It would have been as if DonaId Trump owned the military and all of the taxes we pay go into his personal account.

When God did the miracles he did, just to free the Israelites from slavery, He also had to provide food, protection and clothing for them for many years. It was not as if all of the freed slaves just ran off and found better work elsewhere.
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SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:Most of the slaves then were not owned by the Israelites.


Citation?

Or do you intend to just make up bollocks to help you sleep at night?


thenexttodie wrote:Again, we are talking about a time where there would have been little opportunity for private economic ventures.


Citation?


thenexttodie wrote:As I said before, the majority of wealth was held by rulers of small kingdoms or leaders of tribes. It would have been as if DonaId Trump owned the military and all of the taxes we pay go into his personal account.


Citation?


thenexttodie wrote:When God did the miracles he did,....


Which only happened in a fictional fairy tale.


thenexttodie wrote:.... just to free the Israelites from slavery, He also had to provide food, protection and clothing for them for many years. It was not as if all of the freed slaves just ran off and found better work elsewhere.


:lol:

You can't even get your fairy tale right.

God had to give them food because they were wandering in the desert for 40 years. God could have saved all parties a lot of bother if he'd just given them directions instead! ;)
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:06 am
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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So I was mistaken earlier in this thread for saying that TNTD wasn't condoning slavery, when clearly that's all he is going to be doing.

What a mess this is. 3 supposed Christians, and all of them will spend their time condoning slavery just because it happened in the Bible.

Not an ounce of reason, compassion, or empathy among them.
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:09 am
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2558Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:
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When God did the miracles he did, just to free the Israelites from slavery, He also had to provide food, protection and clothing for them for many years. It was not as if all of the freed slaves just ran off and found better work elsewhere.



Your god sounds insanely limited and impotent.

One would think the frigging creator of the universe could handle this. Or, you know, make sure this crap never happened in the first place.

And now you're here, trying to justify slavery, just because it happened in the holy book of your ideology.

Justifying slavery. Fucking slavery, which we all just KNOW is wrong.

That's how far ideology has driven you.
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thenexttodiePosts: 799Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Gnug215 wrote:

Your god sounds insanely limited and impotent.

One would think the frigging creator of the universe could handle this. Or, you know, make sure this crap never happened in the first place.

And now you're here, trying to justify slavery, just because it happened in the holy book of your ideology.

Justifying slavery. Fucking slavery, which we all just KNOW is wrong.

That's how far ideology has driven you.


I think slavery is wrong too.
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