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leroyPosts: 1826Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Sparhafoc....if you are not atheist what are you then?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

do you honestly think that Sparhafoc will provide a clear and direct answer?
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:30 pm
IBSpifyUser avatarPosts: 456Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:06 am Gender: Pinecone

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leroy wrote:I disagree, at least sometimes it is better to regulate bad stuff than forbidding it. And I am pretty sure you can think of multiple real life examples.


I can think of multiple real world examples, but they are all examples of things which should not be banned to begin with.

Also your argument falls apart when you consider that the Christian god had no problems banning other things (such as the making of false idols) and then having everybody killed when they broke said ban.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:33 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

My question seems to have been lost in the back-and-forth, so I'll repeat it:

Bernhard, would you wish to be a slave?

Kindest regards,

James
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:01 am
CollecemallPosts: 372Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Right because the slave women who wasn't freed was a canaanite. Not a hebrew



So nationality is a viable reason for continued captivity?
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:51 am
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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No it hasn't Dragon glas.

I find it useless. The argument has nothing to do with my wishes.

Really... my wishes.

League of wishes now.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:39 am
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Here's some evidence.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/fo ... d-slavery/



This has been lost
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:40 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Sparhafoc....if you are not atheist what are you then?



In what respect?

I am a human being.

I was born in England.

I am 41.

I'm a palaeoanthropologist.

What information about me do you want?
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:39 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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leroy wrote:
Bernhard.visscher wrote:Sparhafoc....if you are not atheist what are you then?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

do you honestly think that Sparhafoc will provide a clear and direct answer?



Well, given my track record for giving clear and direct answers, yes no doubt I will.

Of course, such an answer requires a clear and direct question first.

'What are you?' is hardly a clear and direct question.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:40 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:In the bible where the man left his wife and children.. we are talking about the canaanite women.

God does not condone the marrying of believer with unbeliever. So the marriage was illegitimate

The fact that it was the slaves choice to leave and this leave his wife and children......shows you the slave was allowed to leave in the first place



Nauseating.

You are scraping right through the morality barrel, Bernie.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:41 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Anyway key point to remember is slavery of today.... is not the same as the slavery of the bible.



The key point to remember is that Bernie is making up bullshit he can't support.

Slavery in the Bible was much worse than it is today, not only was slavery positively acceptable according to the Bible, but prepubescent girls could be taken as spoils of war, after their families were murdered in front of them, and dished out among the conquering murderers.

All of this done apparently by God's command.


Wriggle some more, you slavery apologist scum.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:43 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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leroy wrote:why is it that you always what to impose your own personal favorite definitions of terms?


Errrr.... ironic, LEROY.

That's what you do.

Quick reality check.

Between LEROY and Sparhafoc, who's native language is English?

Oh wait, yes it's me.

As such, you do not get to dictate the meaning of words in my fucking language. Get over yourself already.



leroy wrote:I disagree, at least sometimes it is better to regulate bad stuff than forbidding it. And I am pretty sure you can think of multiple real life examples.


Then you are morally stunted and wrong.

1) Regulating includes banning

2) There is NO exception to the rule that it is ALWAYS better to ban slavery than to 'regulate' it.

If you do not agree with 2, then you are CONDONING SLAVERY BY FUCKING DEFINITION.

Remember? My fucking language - I am using the word exactly as other people whose native language is English use this word. If you have a different meaning, nobody cares because your native language is not English - get the fuck over yourself already.

con·done
kənˈdōn/
verb
verb: condone; 3rd person present: condones; past tense: condoned; past participle: condoned; gerund or present participle: condoning

accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.


Ergo, if you provide an argument that says there are times where it's preferable to have slavery than not, you are fucking condoning slavery.

So shut the fuck up already you gibbering loon.


leroy wrote:I have said multiple times in this forum that there are parts of the bible that I personally don't like, and I wouldn't claim with certainty that the whole bible is divine and inspired.



You said the first sentence once, and you've never said the last sentence in any post I've seen you write.

The thing is - if you believe this sentence, then your behavior here becomes even less clear.

I am used to fundamentalist idiots who want to declare that every word in the Bible supersedes everything else, and they ALL behave like you - but I've never seen a single one of them engage in nuance. In my experience, those Christians capable of engaging in nuance were honest, polite individuals who most assuredly were not Creationists in the anti-scientific sense.

I think you're even more confused than you could be aware of.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:50 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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IBSpify wrote:
leroy wrote:I disagree, at least sometimes it is better to regulate bad stuff than forbidding it. And I am pretty sure you can think of multiple real life examples.


I can think of multiple real world examples, but they are all examples of things which should not be banned to begin with.

Also your argument falls apart when you consider that the Christian god had no problems banning other things (such as the making of false idols) and then having everybody killed when they broke said ban.



Yep.

Replace the silly jealous stuff about false idols and insert:

Thou shalt not own another human being (oh and don't rape women or fiddle with kiddies either).

The Bible would instantly gain a chunk of credibility if that were the case.

Again, shell game. According to Christian beliefs, the Bible must be a book for all times. But clearly, if the Bible and the writers of the Bible failed to see the horrors and misery of organized slavery, then they either didn't know what would happened, or knew and were less morally competent than we are today.

Easily explicable if one posits that the Bible was written by Iron Age/Classical human beings.

Much harder to explain if one assumes that the eternal, all knowing, all powerful creator of everything wrote it.

The shell game continues.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:54 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:No it hasn't Dragon glas.

I find it useless. The argument has nothing to do with my wishes.

Really... my wishes.

League of wishes now.



Already explained to you that this forum is not comprised of Vulcans.

Again, if you can't comprehend the horror, terror, and utter inhumanity of slavery - perhaps you should shut the fuck up and listen to those more competent at humanity than you.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:55 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:
Bernhard.visscher wrote:Here's some evidence.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/fo ... d-slavery/



This has been lost



It's a link to some other mumblefucker mumblefucking.

It's just as wrong as you for the reasons given in this thread.

It's just as lacking in humanity and empathy as your arguments in this thread.

It's also just as wrong and full of shit as you have been in this thread.

It's not 'lost' Bernie - it's here as testament forever to the sick delusion you labour under.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:57 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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And where was God all those years of organized slavery?

Even assuming God didn't care what the pagans like the Romans did - they're pagans worshiping false gods after all - but then there was an era of expressly Christian nations enslaving tens of thousands of human beings, using Christian scripture as justification for their enslavement.

Why didn't God step in there?

A single word from the heavens and every Christian would have changed their behavior.

So why does God do nothing to stop slavery? Neither in the Bible, nor in practice.

Either 1) God is fine with one human owning another human or 2) God, at least the one according to modern Christians, doesn't exist or 3) God does exist and is not ok with slavery, but is powerless to change it.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:02 am
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Correction: tens of thousands is nowhere near accurate.

In reality, studies suggest 9-12 MILLION people were enslaved and taken to work in the Americas. Studies suggest more than 2 million enslaved human beings didn't even survive the journey - why? Because the good Christians didn't consider these people to be human beings worthy of moral treatment.

And God did not a jot, apparently omnisciently unaware that this would happen, and therefore omnipotently unable to ensure that 'his' Christian followers didn't engage in such vile behavior.

Given how Christians want God to take credit for everything, it's funny how they won't blame God for this abject failure.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:56 am
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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The question wasn't clear enough....

Thanks sparafoc.

But Leroy was correct.

He claimed you would not provide a clear answer and you did not.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:31 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Here's some evidence.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/fo ... d-slavery/



This has been lost[/quote]

Quote....

It's a link to some other mumblefucker mumblefucking.

It's just as wrong as you for the reasons given in this thread.

It's just as lacking in humanity and empathy as your arguments in this thread.

It's also just as wrong and full of shit as you have been in this thread.

It's not 'lost' Bernie - it's here as testament forever to the sick delusion you labour under.

....endquote


Even if you are correct and if I am therefore wrong, the fact of the matter is the article accurately depicts the bible ☺☺☺
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:36 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2971Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

Bernhard.visscher wrote:No it hasn't Dragon glas.

I don't understand what this statement has to do with my question. :?

Bernhard.visscher wrote:I find it useless. The argument has nothing to do with my wishes.

Really... my wishes.

League of wishes now.

You're arguing that slavery in the bible is alright "because God".

This completely ignores the fact that the bible represents a justification for all sorts of atrocities by the Israelites against those they deemed to be their enemies.

It's written after-the-fact - not before - in keeping with the old adage, "History is written by the victors".

Your argument is still-born.

Kindest regards,

James
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:49 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1831Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:The question wasn't clear enough....

Thanks sparafoc.

But Leroy was correct.

He claimed you would not provide a clear answer and you did not.



Are you claiming that I am not any of the above?

Or are you asking a more specific question that you failed to write?

Do feel free to get back to asking me what it is you want to ask me. I will probably even answer.

I can't assure you of it though - it depends on the question, the style in which the question's phrased, and whether I want to share that information with you.

Either which way, regardless of LEROY's and your Creationist hubris, I can assure you that I know a lot more about me than you do.
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