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Mindboggling result of Ribosomal RNA sequence analysis

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Mindboggling result of Ribosomal RNA sequence analysis
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leroyPosts: 2030Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Sparhafoc wrote:
he_who_is_nobody wrote:That would require evidence of design and not just assertions on your part.


It's amazing that an entire argument based on the contention of there being evidence for design is also permanently unwilling and incapable of offering any standardized metric that could be used to infer designedness.

As I've said before - one wonders why Creationist/IDers find it so hard. I mean, LEROY, obviously - he has never once been able to support a single instance of any drivel that's splurted from his figurative mouth. But why can't supposedly Creation-scientists (those whose effluent the likes of LEROY uncritically regurgitates) provide a robust metric of inferred design?



yes in fact they do offer a metric.

sometimes they call it specified complexity.
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:22 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 877Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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leroy wrote:
Sparhafoc wrote:But why can't supposedly Creation-scientists (those whose effluent the likes of LEROY uncritically regurgitates) provide a robust metric of inferred design?

yes in fact they do offer a metric.

sometimes they call it specified complexity.

:lol:
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SparhafocPosts: 2269Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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MarsCydonia wrote::lol:


:lol:

And this, boys and girls, is why Stormtroopers in Star Wars miss all their shots.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:16 am
thenexttodiePosts: 880Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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hackenslash wrote:
Indeed, if you really think that god chose a book as the method of communicating his intentions to the world, then the god you believe in is an incompetent fucking moron.


How would you have done it if you were god?
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:11 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1203Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
Indeed, if you really think that god chose a book as the method of communicating his intentions to the world, then the god you believe in is an incompetent fucking moron.


How would you have done it if you were god?


Not that I read all of it, but Hack's blog is a magnitude better, more comprehensive, coherent and in concert with reality than the bible.

So yeah, he's already done way better than your imaginary friend.
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:31 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2652Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
Indeed, if you really think that god chose a book as the method of communicating his intentions to the world, then the god you believe in is an incompetent fucking moron.


How would you have done it if you were god?



... in a way that worked?
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:06 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2269Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:How would you have done it if you were god?


More effectively. More coherently. Less opportunity for egregious error.
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:18 pm
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thenexttodie wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
Indeed, if you really think that god chose a book as the method of communicating his intentions to the world, then the god you believe in is an incompetent fucking moron.


How would you have done it if you were god?

There are countless ways it could be improved. Even if none of these render the system perfect, the simple fact that they all constitute obvious improvements is enough:

1. An indestructible book, that way it can't be edited and contains only the original manuscripts. When copied in a printing press, the copy divinely becomes indestructible and in perfect condition with no loss of quality. God could do this, He's God!

2. When you open it, it is immediately comprehensible to you in the most appropriate version of the language you speak, through God's divine will.

3. Richly illustrated with fantastic artistry. As if real photographs were taken in the ancient past.

4. Has many more passages that encourage love, mutual cooperation, education and literacy, study of mathematics and science, personal hygiene, trade and charity, peace, forgiveness and critical thinking, in replacement of superflous crap about how many oxes or how to prepare goats and lambs for blood-sacrifices or the cutting of foreskin or how you should obey the sabbath or whatever other irrelevant nonsense.
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:50 pm
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thenexttodie wrote:How would you have done it if you were god?

There has been many good answers to this, but that just shows that your God really is incompetent or stupid.

He could have revealed his message even in it's current form, as faulty and illegitable it is, in all the continents, all the higher cultures in the same time. Even that would give some creadence about it's divine origin. But no, it's from one small part of the world.
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:10 am
thenexttodiePosts: 880Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Rumraket wrote:There are countless ways it could be improved. Even if none of these render the system perfect, the simple fact that they all constitute obvious improvements is enough:

1. An indestructible book, that way it can't be edited and contains only the original manuscripts. When copied in a printing press, the copy divinely becomes indestructible and in perfect condition with no loss of quality. God could do this, He's God!

2. When you open it, it is immediately comprehensible to you in the most appropriate version of the language you speak, through God's divine will.

3. Richly illustrated with fantastic artistry. As if real photographs were taken in the ancient past.

4. Has many more passages that encourage love, mutual cooperation, education and literacy, study of mathematics and science, personal hygiene, trade and charity, peace, forgiveness and critical thinking, in replacement of superflous crap about how many oxes or how to prepare goats and lambs for blood-sacrifices or the cutting of foreskin or how you should obey the sabbath or whatever other irrelevant nonsense.


Cute.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:17 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 880Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Visaki wrote:He could have revealed his message even in it's current form, as faulty and illegitable it is, in all the continents, all the higher cultures in the same time. Even that would give some creadence about it's divine origin. But no, it's from one small part of the world.


What message are you talking about? The Bible is mostly just a record of mankind's hatred and rejection of God.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:48 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2269Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:Cute.


More like.... John Donne did your argument vastly better, even poetically, several hundred years ago and it failed to gain traction even then in a more credulous era.
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SparhafocPosts: 2269Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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thenexttodie wrote:What message are you talking about? The Bible is mostly just a record of mankind's hatred and rejection of God.


Human history according to a.... Christian? Is that what that's supposed to be?

Tell me - how well did the South American Indians do at their hatred and rejection of God? Only, it doesn't mention them, or the continents on which they lived in your allegedly 'holy' Bible. What about the Polynesian cultures? How did they do with Yahweh? Did the Ainu really engage in hatred of Yahweh? No, that's nonsensical make-believe.

Rather of importance are two facts here: the first, that the vast majority of the world's human population until near modern times was completely and innocently ignorant of the allegedly revealed word of God, and the second that necessarily Yahweh chose a particular people, at a particular time, from a particular area, speaking a particular language, comprised of symbols and cultural baggage particular to those tribes, and this is supposed to be an all-encompassing record of humanity's engagements with Yahweh?

Religion: making people believe the universe revolves around them since humanity evolved an ego.

Fuck all those hundreds of millions of other people - they're unimportant, but my tribe... oh, it's the special tribe, in fact, the fulcrum of the whole fucking universe.

It's a mind-virus.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:56 pm
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thenexttodie wrote:
Visaki wrote:He could have revealed his message even in it's current form, as faulty and illegitable it is, in all the continents, all the higher cultures in the same time. Even that would give some creadence about it's divine origin. But no, it's from one small part of the world.


What message are you talking about? The Bible is mostly just a record of mankind's hatred and rejection of God.

That just makes it even worse. Why even have a record of such a thing? Why not a more positive and inspiring message, rather than a depressing and pessimistic one?
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:22 pm
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Rumraket wrote:There are countless ways it could be improved. Even if none of these render the system perfect, the simple fact that they all constitute obvious improvements is enough:

1. An indestructible book, that way it can't be edited and contains only the original manuscripts. When copied in a printing press, the copy divinely becomes indestructible and in perfect condition with no loss of quality. God could do this, He's God!

2. When you open it, it is immediately comprehensible to you in the most appropriate version of the language you speak, through God's divine will.

3. Richly illustrated with fantastic artistry. As if real photographs were taken in the ancient past.

4. Has many more passages that encourage love, mutual cooperation, education and literacy, study of mathematics and science, personal hygiene, trade and charity, peace, forgiveness and critical thinking, in replacement of superflous crap about how many oxes or how to prepare goats and lambs for blood-sacrifices or the cutting of foreskin or how you should obey the sabbath or whatever other irrelevant nonsense.


Cute.

I accept your tacit concession that the bible could be easily improved.

Even without actually altering it's contents. You could throw away points 3 and 4 if you don't like them and points 1 and 2 would still go a long way towards improving the bible and it's many uses and abuses through human history.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:24 pm
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By the way, I have to say I am surprised and disappointed with how League of reason has allowed this creationism bullshit to pollute my threads.

How fucking hard is it to move comments from one thread to their own and preserve the original on-topic discussion that spawned this thread?
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:26 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2652Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Rumraket wrote:By the way, I have to say I am surprised and disappointed with how League of reason has allowed this creationism bullshit to pollute my threads.

How fucking hard is it to move comments from one thread to their own and preserve the original on-topic discussion that spawned this thread?



Very hard.

For a forum-tard as myself, that is. I've never really gotten the hang of it.

Also... honestly? I've stopped reading a lot of.... shall we say, select posts.
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thenexttodiePosts: 880Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Rumraket wrote:By the way, I have to say I am surprised and disappointed with how League of reason has allowed this creationism bullshit to pollute my threads.

How fucking hard is it to move comments from one thread to their own and preserve the original on-topic discussion that spawned this thread?


Sorry, Rumraket. I did not mean to add to the derailment of your thread. But "it is what it is"

I think this board would actually be better if more people had certain moderation capabillites. Posts inside of threads could be numbered and then I think more easily moved to new threads.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:41 pm
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thenexttodie wrote:
Rumraket wrote:By the way, I have to say I am surprised and disappointed with how League of reason has allowed this creationism bullshit to pollute my threads.

How fucking hard is it to move comments from one thread to their own and preserve the original on-topic discussion that spawned this thread?


Sorry, Rumraket. I did not mean to add to the derailment of your thread. But "it is what it is"

Yeah I'm not blaming anyone in particular. We have all contributed to the derailment, even myself. Just surprised it isn't possible to split the thread back on the first page.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:57 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2269Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Gnug215 wrote:Very hard.

For a forum-tard as myself, that is. I've never really gotten the hang of it.

Also... honestly? I've stopped reading a lot of.... shall we say, select posts.
My bullshit quota has limits.



Aye. I blocked LEROY weeks ago because he's the most mendacious trolling cunt I've ever had the misfortune to encounter. It's not once or twice - it's every fucking post.

Personally, I don't think even the low membership numbers justify giving such a mentally deranged twat a platform.
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