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Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Science law.... life comes from life
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
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Bango SkankUser avatarPosts: 173Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:15 amLocation: Finland Gender: Male

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life


Therefore creationism debunked.
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Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2954Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life

And your scientific evidence for this "science law"?

Kindest regards,

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Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:50 am
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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life

Here is another law, just as well supported (in fact it's the same evidence for both laws): All life is made of cells, which are made of atoms.

See, now your not-even-an-argument has been completely undermined.

If you deny that all life is made of cells which are made of atoms, you are violating the inductive principle of total evidence.
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SparhafocPosts: 1333Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life



What is life, Bernhard?
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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life


Then life doesn't have an origin. Think about it.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:55 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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The origin of life is eternal.

Think about it
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SparhafocPosts: 1333Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:The origin of life is eternal.

Think about it


Deepak Chopra deepity.

Think about it.
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Bernhard.visscher wrote:The origin of life is eternal.

Think about it

Whatever life came from is made of atoms. Because cells made of atoms only come from cells made of atoms.
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leroyPosts: 1744Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life

And your scientific evidence for this "science law"?

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Bernhard, you don't understand the rules of the forum.


Atheist don't have to prove anything, they can simply affirm that there is an unknown natural mechanism that can create life without preexisting life,
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:57 am
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Life arises from life. Never been disproved and only evidence has been found for... Therefore law.
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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Life arises from life. Never been disproved and only evidence has been found for... Therefore law.

Life is made of cells which are made of atoms. Never been disproved and only evidence has been found for... Therefore law.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:39 am
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2560Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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Mod note:

Topic split, as requested.



Hmm, not sure if I got all the posts, but these are the ones I could select.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:38 am
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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Life arises from life. Never been disproved and only evidence has been found for... Therefore law.



Not how laws works; laws are descriptions of the relationships between two quantities in a natural phenomenon.

https://www.livescience.com/21457-what- ... c-law.html

In general, a scientific law is the description of an observed phenomenon. It doesn't explain why the phenomenon exists or what causes it. The explanation of a phenomenon is called a scientific theory. It is a misconception that theories turn into laws with enough research.



The words 'life arises from life' are a hypothesis.

You don't get to declare 'never been disproved' until you go and try to falsify it.

If you can't falsify it, then other people would try to.

These other attempts at falsification would lead to a network of hypotheses surrounding the contention.

Then, only then, might it graduate to a theory, because that's the highest level of explanatory framework in science.


Of course, your claim is right only from today's perspective where life reproduces and the world's biomes are full of life.

But you cannot claim it is so for eternity because a) you'd need evidence and b) it's illogical.

For example, go back past 4.5 billion years ago, and there was no planet. So life couldn't have been there prior to the planet being there, so either life originated there or it was introduced from outside. If it was introduced from outside, then all you've done is shuffle one step towards an infinite regression.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:59 am
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Gnug215 wrote:Mod note:

Topic split, as requested.



Hmm, not sure if I got all the posts, but these are the ones I could select.

You didn't get the majority of the posts. And the argument about the big bang is continuing in the other thread.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:03 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2954Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

leroy wrote:Bernhard, you don't understand the rules of the forum

The rules are simple: any positive claim should be supported with testable evidence..

Bernhard made a positive claim - it's up to him to provide the testable evidence for that positive claim.

leroy wrote:Atheist don't have to prove anything, they can simply affirm that there is an unknown natural mechanism that can create life without preexisting life,

It's called the laws of chemistry, leroy.

Biochemistry - "the chemistry of life" - is a sub-set of chemistry: it is the chemistry of carbon.

The transition from inorganic to organic chemistry occurs when one atom of hydrogen, and one atom of carbon, form a chemical bond called the hydro-carbon bond.

At which point you're at the foot of the mountain that leads to the first cell.

Life - abiogenesis - occurs somewhere on the path up the mountain.

It's that simple.

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Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:15 pm
MarsCydoniaUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:15 pm

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Bango Skank wrote:
Bernhard.visscher wrote:Science law.... life comes from life


Therefore creationism debunked.

My comment wasn't moved so I'll point this out here again:
If "life comes from life" is an unviolable scientific law then:
1. This disproves god created life.
or
2. Science is discarded and irrelevant for this "scientific law".

It's a loss-loss scenario for those who spout it. Congratulations.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:39 pm
leroyPosts: 1744Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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As Rumraket the ultimate answer is "we don't know",


but imagine that you are told that there are 2 parallel universes (this universe and some other universe that may or may not have different laws) and you are told that in one of these universes life was created naturally and in the other life was created by an intelligent designer.

given this scenario you are asked to provide your best guess.


in what universe do we live?

A) the universe where life had a natural origin?

B the universe where life was designed?


given this scenario (hypothetical of course) I would say that B is more likely to be true,


I am willing to defend this position, only against people who affirm that A.
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:12 pm
leroyPosts: 1744Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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MarsCydonia wrote:[My comment wasn't moved so I'll point this out here again:
If "life comes from life" is an unviolable scientific law then:
1. This disproves god created life.
or
2. Science is discarded and irrelevant for this "scientific law".

It's a loss-loss scenario for those who spout it. Congratulations.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wow the fact that you repeated that stupid comment in this new thread indicates that you honestly think that you are making a good point.


Miracles are suppose to disobey scientific laws, the point is that the only way to have life from none life is if you disobey a natural law (miracle), if you grant this law, it would imply that life had a miraculous origin.

if you don't grant this law, then you have a to carry heavy burden proof and explain why things where different 4.5B years ago.....
"events with a zero probability happen all the time"
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:17 pm
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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leroy wrote:As Rumraket the ultimate answer is "we don't know",

but imagine that you are told that there are 2 parallel universes (this universe and some other universe that may or may not have different laws) and you are told that in one of these universes life was created naturally and in the other life was created by an intelligent designer.

given this scenario you are asked to provide your best guess.

in what universe do we live?

A) the universe where life had a natural origin?

B the universe where life was designed?

given this scenario (hypothetical of course) I would say that B is more likely to be true,

I am willing to defend this position, only against people who affirm that A.

So why should we care about this make believe cosmos that you have constructed? What is the point? Oh I see, you think you are stacking the odds at your favor. Got it.
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:24 pm
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