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leroyPosts: 2030Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Steelmage99 wrote:
leroy wrote:The psychology of conspiracy theories has been studied, it turns out that some brains “enjoy” “knowing” some sort of “secret truth” that most people are not aware of.

These brains produce dopamine when a “secret truth” is exposed. Conspiracy theorist are addicted to conspiracy theories.



I simply cannot be the only person that thinks this is hilarious coming from a religious person.


I honestly don’t find anything hilarious about this
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Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:23 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1215Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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leroy wrote:
Steelmage99 wrote:
I simply cannot be the only person that thinks this is hilarious coming from a religious person.


I honestly don’t find anything hilarious about this


thunderf00t wrote:Why do people laugh at creationists? Only creationists don't understand why.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:55 pm
leroyPosts: 2030Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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WarK wrote:
leroy wrote:
Steelmage99"

I simply cannot be the only person that thinks this is hilarious coming from a religious person.


I honestly don’t find anything hilarious about this


[quote="thunderf00t wrote:Why do people laugh at creationists? Only creationists don't understand why.



The reason why this is not hilarious Is because many conspiracy theories are promoted by atheist “Jesus never existed” “ Jesus was married to Marry Magdalene” “the authors of genesis plagiarize from ancient myths” “the church is trying to control the world” etc.

Sure religious people also promote stupid conspiracy theories, the point is that people can be conspiracy theorists regardless if they are religious or not.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:47 pm
Steelmage99Posts: 199Joined: Thu May 28, 2015 9:43 am Gender: Male

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Replace the words "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" with "religiosity" and "religious person".
Blunder that theists make all the time;

Pretending to know what other people think.
Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:25 pm
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 812Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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leroy wrote:The reason why this is not hilarious Is because many conspiracy theories are promoted by atheist “Jesus never existed”

Which is a historical hyphothesis. Not all that well supported in my, and most historians, oppinion.

“Jesus was married to Marry Magdalene”

Yeah I don't really know where that originates from, but it was popularized by Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln in the early 80's and even more by Browns Da Vinci Code. As far as I know it is a real conspiracy theory with no real evidence behind it.

“the authors of genesis plagiarize from ancient myths”

Which they did. And to be honest, which pretty much every mythos of the ancient world did to some extent or another.

“the church is trying to control the world” etc.

Which it has with more or less success for the last 1700 years.

Sure religious people also promote stupid conspiracy theories, the point is that people can be conspiracy theorists regardless if they are religious or not.

Indeed.

Though I do find it interesting that a person can believe one conspiracy theory, but dismiss another easily. For example most 9/11 Truthers think that the Flat Earthers are laughably stupid. I suppose it's the same among religions; most Christians think that Buddhists are laughably stupid, or at least that they are theologically and philosophically very, very wrong.
Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:23 am
leroyPosts: 2030Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Visaki wrote:
Though I do find it interesting that a person can believe one conspiracy theory, but dismiss another easily. For example most 9/11 Truthers think that the Flat Earthers are laughably stupid.


The flat earth is an extreme example, but studies have shown that there is some sort of correlation, those who believe that the 911 was an inside job, tend to believe that man never landed in to the moon, that archeologists hide discoveries that don’t find in to the current paradigm, that global warming is a hoax etc. In other words, those who believe in 1 CT tend to believe in many others.

Visaki wrote:I suppose it's the same among religions; most Christians think that Buddhists are laughably stupid, or at least that they are theologically and philosophically very, very wrong.


I believe that other religious are wrong, but I don’t argue that other religions (or atheism) are a conspiracy invented to destroy Christianity.

And I honestly and sincerely believe that the evidence supports Christianity rather than atheism and other religious,
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:50 am
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 812Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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leroy wrote:The flat earth is an extreme example, but studies have shown that there is some sort of correlation, those who believe that the 911 was an inside job, tend to believe that man never landed in to the moon, that archeologists hide discoveries that don’t find in to the current paradigm, that global warming is a hoax etc. In other words, those who believe in 1 CT tend to believe in many others.

There are indeed differences between different conspiracy theories, and even between different version of the same theory. Lets take 9/11. Some 9/11 CTsts just believe that the government knew about the plot but let it happen for some reason, some believe that it was actually planned and done by the government and then there are some believe that there were no planes at all but that the buildings were destroyed by a space platform with a gravitational X-ray laser. Even these theories are not same when it comes to how believable they are.

Visaki wrote:I believe that other religious are wrong, but I don’t argue that other religions (or atheism) are a conspiracy invented to destroy Christianity.

True, most theists don't think this (at least I hope they don't). I think the correlation between conspiracy theorists and theists is, or our claim rather is, more about how they process their beliefs, evidence about the claims and the often unquevering faith that they have.

And I honestly and sincerely believe that the evidence supports Christianity rather than atheism and other religious,

Conspiracy theorists have the same honesty and sincerity as you do. But then again I suppose most people do. We like to think that we are right and that we are doing the right things. As Will Smith said, and got into trouble for it, Hitler (sorry Mr Godwin) didn't get up from bed and think "what evil things can I do today". No, he thought "how can I make the World a better place for the true German people". He honestly and sincerely believed that he was right. Not comparing you to Hitler though, since so do I. So do most people.
Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:57 am
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leroy wrote:The flat earth is an extreme example, but studies have shown that there is some sort of correlation, those who believe that the 911 was an inside job, tend to believe that man never landed in to the moon, that archeologists hide discoveries that don’t find in to the current paradigm, that global warming is a hoax etc. In other words, those who believe in 1 CT tend to believe in many others.


Why do you think this is?

I agree that there is a correlation. Just wondering what your take is on it.



Visaki wrote:I suppose it's the same among religions; most Christians think that Buddhists are laughably stupid, or at least that they are theologically and philosophically very, very wrong.


I believe that other religious are wrong, but I don’t argue that other religions (or atheism) are a conspiracy invented to destroy Christianity.

And I honestly and sincerely believe that the evidence supports Christianity rather than atheism and other religious,[/quote]


I hope that means you in turn accept that people from other religions, and atheists, honestly and sincerely believe evidence supports their particular beliefs.
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:07 pm
leroyPosts: 2030Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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Gnug215 wrote:
leroy wrote:The flat earth is an extreme example, but studies have shown that there is some sort of correlation, those who believe that the 911 was an inside job, tend to believe that man never landed in to the moon, that archeologists hide discoveries that don’t find in to the current paradigm, that global warming is a hoax etc. In other words, those who believe in 1 CT tend to believe in many others.


Why do you think this is?

I agree that there is a correlation. Just wondering what your take is on it.




My take is that some people simply enjoy “knowing” a truth that most people don’t know, I bet that their brains generate dopamine every time they hear about a Conspiracy Theory. (being a CT seems to be some sort of addiction.)

I can not prove it, nor I have done any research on it, but that is my personal theory
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:00 pm
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leroy wrote:
Gnug215 wrote:
Why do you think this is?

I agree that there is a correlation. Just wondering what your take is on it.




My take is that some people simply enjoy “knowing” a truth that most people don’t know, I bet that their brains generate dopamine every time they hear about a Conspiracy Theory. (being a CT seems to be some sort of addiction.)

I can not prove it, nor I have done any research on it, but that is my personal theory



I agree that it is probably addictive, but I personally don't think the "knowing a truth that others don't" bit is the main reason.

My take - which I've heard elsewhere, just FYI - is that it's hard for many people to accept such a complicated world, and this messy state of things, so they look for explanations that make the world seem simpler, and more clear-cut, with a clear picture of who the "enemy" is.
And if only that enemy could be taken down, the world would surely become a better, simpler place.

But yeah... with that said, the Flat Earth conspiracy is just plain weird. I still have no clue what "they" could be gaining by keeping that fact from us.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:15 am
SparhafocPosts: 2445Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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And don't forget agency. Some people just can't resist positing agency regardless. Shit couldn't just have happened like that! What are the odds? Astronomical! Therefore somebody must have done it.

Exactly the same as with appealing to gods to 'explain' natural, observable phenomena.
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Wed May 16, 2018 5:50 pm
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Sparhafoc wrote:And don't forget agency. Some people just can't resist positing agency regardless. Shit couldn't just have happened like that! What are the odds? Astronomical! Therefore somebody must have done it.

Exactly the same as with appealing to gods to 'explain' natural, observable phenomena.



Yes. I suppose it can all be traced back to one of the the brain's basic functions of finding patterns and trying to predict future outcomes.
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