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Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:54 am
by )O( Hytegia )O(
*rubs head*

I thought I left behind whiny ravings when I left high school and deleted all the preteen drama whores off my Facebook. :facepalm:

Once again, I stand by my basic posit of the problems presented in this paper. The paper itself claims for an absolute certainty in rate and never assigns random probability of results.
I mean, fuck, you can't even do that in Chemistry. You can barely do that in Physics! - You sure as hell can't do that with Biological organisms living in a competitive environment where, over time, change (change = compiled mutation over generations) occurs on small scales to show benefit for the species or death for that brand of species.

It assumes Set growth, Set Death, and Set change - none of those in any biological science is ever stated as a constant.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:37 pm
by )O( Hytegia )O(
And, I'm going to go a bit philosophical here -
How can anyone in their right mind try this nonsense with set numbers on Life?

Life is a Chaotic System, with the only variable of death being a constant event. Age, mating, acts of nature, random happenstance - all of these can result in any NUMBER of life/death instances, in which any number of a species can have any given number of offspring. All of which these offspring can die at any time from innumerable amount of reasons ranging from competition, disease, sickness, starvation, natural instances, or even genetic deficiency.

The fact that this paper was rejected from publishing after review is so very clear. It's a complete pile of horse shit that would only be taken seriously by people who are either to ignorant to know what they are reading or just degenerate morons who would spit out anything that even remotely makes their case look serious in whole or in part.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:51 pm
by Master_Ghost_Knight
Ok here is finally my full review of the paper:
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2644/critique1.png
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2136/critique2.png
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/3392/critique3.png
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4717/critique4.png
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4266/critique5.png
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1277/critique6.png
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2351/critique7.png
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2734/critique8.png
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/623/critique9.png
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/704/critique10.png
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8233/critique11.png
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2747/critique12.png
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2167/critique13.png

Overall the paper has no new content, it is just a complaint about other authors not using his mangled and erroneous definitions. The author's definitions are mangled and very often he equivocates different things much due to the fact that he deceived himself with his mangled definitions. Very little attention is paid to maintaining a clear language.
There are several erroneous misconceptions and self contradictory statements, he assumes certain simplifying elements in order to justify his models and then he applies them to totally opposing cases. Many assumptions are unfounded and just begging the question, other than the fact that author wants to impose certain fictitious limitation to forward his argument there is no other reason to why they should be the way the author claims they are, and in fact he can't justify them because in real situations those limitations are simply not observed at all.
Most of his models are unjustified and simply falls out of nowhere despite the fact that very little would be required to justify them. His mathematical ineptitude is clear not only because of the misuse of notation but also because he manages to introduce absurdities even in the most simple of the equations. However even after he has gone trough the trouble of presenting convoluted models they are ultimately pointless because he never follows any of them and doesn't extracts any tangible implications from them or make any meaningful point, it is more an exercise of show and tell then taking any sort of conclusion.
There is no data what so ever, he doesn't confront any of his models with physical observations or even makes any numerical simulations which leaves us with a bad taste in the mouth because at the end of the day it is only been an exercise in pointlessness make belief.
The text isn't structured, he mixes modeling with critique, self congratulatory prose and commentary. There is also items that serve no purpose other than to make the paper look more scientific for people who just skim it, and overall that is what the paper sums up to. It is an exercise in looking as if there is something scientific.

Now after I have given myself the trouble of reviewing the paper, I do believe YYNJ owns everyone an apology and should be ashamed for trying to peddle this crap.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:34 pm
by Inferno
Master_Ghost_Knight wrote:Ok here is finally my full review of the paper:
[...]
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8233/critique11.png
[...]


What's a "substatiation"? I looked up the word but I can't find out what it means. Or did you mean "substantiation", in which case it's very clear and I feel silly.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:47 pm
by Master_Ghost_Knight
Inferno wrote:What's a "substatiation"? I looked up the word but I can't find out what it means. Or did you mean "substantiation", in which case it's very clear and I feel silly.

Paint does not have spell check :(

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:20 am
by scalyblue
@remine
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Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:57 am
by )O( Hytegia )O(
Master_Ghost_Knight wrote:
Inferno wrote:What's a "substatiation"? I looked up the word but I can't find out what it means. Or did you mean "substantiation", in which case it's very clear and I feel silly.

Paint does not have spell check :(

Speaking of that - invest in FireFox.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:02 pm
by Dean
)O( Hytegia )O( wrote:Speaking of that - invest in FireFox.

Heh, yeah ...

Or Google Chrome ... :)

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:13 am
by rareblackatheist
He's ducking in typical creationist style. After that censorship talk he gets what he wants and he runs from it. What a coward.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:43 pm
by YesYouNeedJesus
I assume it was just another lie by a moderator, but I guess I will find out for sure.

Anachronous Rex wrote:Also, you do realize that even if you hadn't been trolling, I would have been obligated to lock the thread just because the user whom it was directed towards asked me to? You have to calm down and grow up.

I'm requesting, as the one this thread was directed to, that this thread be locked.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:49 pm
by Inferno
YesYouNeedJesus wrote:I'm requesting, as the one this thread was directed to, that this thread be locked.


Juvenile. Address the rebuttals.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:50 pm
by Frenger
YesYouNeedJesus wrote:I'm requesting, as the one this thread was directed to, that this thread be locked.


Would you like me to re phrase this for you?

"I have no desire to back up any of my claims, I just hoped no one would show them to be rediculous, can you please lock this thread so I can pretend nothing happened?"

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:11 pm
by scalyblue
So YYNj isn't really interested in analyzing remine's paper, he's just interested in playing the martyr.

Jes Jou Need Yesus wrote:BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW I CANT PUT MYSELF ON A PEDESTAL
T-THEY MADE A THREAD THAT H-HAS THE DISCUSSSION WHAT I C-CLAIMED WAS CENSORED W-WITHOUT MEEEE!

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:21 pm
by he_who_is_nobody
YesYouNeedJesus wrote:I assume it was just another lie by a moderator, but I guess I will find out for sure.

Anachronous Rex wrote:Also, you do realize that even if you hadn't been trolling, I would have been obligated to lock the thread just because the user whom it was directed towards asked me to? You have to calm down and grow up.

I'm requesting, as the one this thread was directed to, that this thread be locked.


I am all for the locking of this thread. It can stand as a testament to the refusal of creationists to address simple rebuttals to the arguments they present.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:22 pm
by Frenger
scalyblue wrote:So YYNj isn't really interested in analyzing remine's paper, he's just interested in playing the martyr.

Jes Jou Need Yesus wrote:BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW I CANT PUT MYSELF ON A PEDESTAL
T-THEY MADE A THREAD THAT H-HAS THE DISCUSSSION WHAT I C-CLAIMED WAS CENSORED W-WITHOUT MEEEE!
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Your interpretation was much better than mine :)

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:34 pm
by scalyblue
he_who_is_nobody wrote:I am all for the locking of this thread. It can stand as a testament to the refusal of creationists to address simple rebuttals to the arguments they present.


Yeah it's not as though the paper wasn't already reftued; the only thing this thread is missing is YYNj's reply to the rebuttal.

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:58 pm
by australopithecus
I agree with the sentiment that this thread should be locked. It will stand as a time capsule to YYNJ's seemingly infinite dishonesty and petty childishness.

Even though this thread is not directed to him, so his comparison with the first thread is completely misplaced.

Re: Walter Remine: A paper analysis

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:23 pm
by australopithecus
That said, seeing as I think YYNJ is under the impression that locking the thread will bury it and, as it would be rude for MGK's hard work to be overlooked, the thread will be stickied until further notice, as it is an excellent example of how to dissect a paper.

Re: Walter Remine: A paper analysis & a lesson in dishonesty

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:31 am
by Andiferous
Wow, good work, Master Ghost Knight. :)

Re: Walter Remine: Paper analysis.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:19 pm
by scientia
I wouldn't agree with this list without some corrections.

1. Variation exists in all populations and increases with population size. A large population has more variation than a small population within the same species.
2. Almost all of that variation is heritable.
3. Some of that variation has an effect on survival or mating opportunities. However, most of the variation is neutral, conferring neither an advantage nor disadvantage to the individual. Secondly, characteristics can exist that benefit the group as a whole or a segment of the group rather than one individual.
4. Saying that characteristics tend to increase or decrease is not correct. A characteristic that increases survival or mating opportunity has an increased chance of being passed to the next generation and spreading among the population. A characteristic that decreases survival or mating opportunity has a decreased chance of being passed to the next generation or spreading among the population. However, a characteristic can have both positive and negative pressures. A peacock's tail may increase an individual's chances of mating but may also make him more susceptible to predators. And, cooperative care of offspring can prevent an individual from mating while also increasing the survival of the group. In general, positive characteristics have greater odds of increasing unless countered by negative pressures while negative characteristics have greater odds of decreasing unless countered by positive characteristics. However, gene association can also limit variation in a characteristic until a mutation occurs that breaks the association; this is true even if the characteristic has high positive pressure. Conversely, an associated gene with negative characteristics can be continued in the population because it is associated with a gene that is essential.

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