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lilmaromeUser avatarPosts: 31Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 pmLocation: Sweden Gender: Female

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lilmarome wrote:I was raped by my ex but I guess it's ok since he was my bf at the time so he had the right to do that...

That's terrible. What happened to the person who raped you? Is he dead or is he ok?



Uhm what?!

I never reported it to the police. I think would be hard to prove anyway because he didn't beat me, I just tried to get away when I wasn't in the mood but he had sex with me anyway. He did it several times. We were together for 7 years. I tried to break up with him many times but he didn't want to let me go, so naturally I cheated on him:) He hasn't tried to contact me in a couple of years now.
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lilmarome wrote:I was raped by my ex but I guess it's ok since he was my bf at the time so he had the right to do that...

thenexttodie wrote:That's terrible. What happened to the person who raped you? Is he dead or is he ok?



lilmarome wrote:Uhm what?!

I never reported it to the police. I think would be hard to prove anyway because he didn't beat me.
So he's ok then.

You should have reported it. You would be amazed at what the police can figure out. I don't know how it works with rape. But I had a girlfriend who was murdered in my apartment while I was at work. I didn't even call the police, for some reason I called this lady I knew and she called the police for me. I was in their custody for only 3-5 hours before they figured exactly how she was killed and who killed her, all from the evidence they found inside my flat and I guess on her body. I have no idea how they did this. But I would tell you to never underestimate what you think detectives are able to find out.

What do you think should happen to person who raped you? Should he be put to death or should he be put in some place for a while where he will be ok?
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lilmaromeUser avatarPosts: 31Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 pmLocation: Sweden Gender: Female

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thenexttodie wrote:What do you think should happen to person who raped you? Should he be put to death or should he be put in some place for a while where he will be ok?


I was in Romania some of the times he did it, I wasn't exactly keen on exploring what their legal system is like. But I guess that would have been a good place for him to go to prison.

I don't care what happens to him, I'm not usually for death penalty but I don't think he will ever realize what he did. I told him many times that what he did was rape, and I guess he pretended to agree with me, but when I talked to him a day later he had forgotten that he had understood that it was in fact rape.
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thenexttodie wrote:What do you think should happen to person who raped you? Should he be put to death or should he be put in some place for a while where he will be ok?


lilmarome wrote:[I was in Romania some of the times he did it, I wasn't exactly keen on exploring what their legal system is like. But I guess that would have been a good place for him to go to prison.

I don't care what happens to him, I'm not usually for death penalty but I don't think he will ever realize what he did. I told him many times that what he did was rape, and I guess he pretended to agree with me, but when I talked to him a day later he had forgotten that he had understood that it was in fact rape.


What I think is that in reality it is people like those we have on this forum, who would defend the life of the guy who raped you. No matter what you think.

I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.
Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:41 am
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thenexttodie wrote:I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.

Shouldn't you just require the woman to marry her attacker as the Bible requires?

Or what if God okayed it as he does in other parts of the Bible.
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:12 am
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3140Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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SpecialFrog wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.

Shouldn't you just require the woman to marry her attacker as the Bible requires?

Or what if God okayed it as he does in other parts of the Bible.


Besides that, thenexttodie still has not said whether or not he believes consent is needed. However, he does seem to be implying that he believes consent is required. That does fly in the face of what he was trying to defend just a page ago. Tis a shame we are questioning his worldview, thus he has to act stupid or flat out ignore direct queries.
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Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2767Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:What do you think should happen to person who raped you? Should he be put to death or should he be put in some place for a while where he will be ok?

lilmarome wrote:[I was in Romania some of the times he did it, I wasn't exactly keen on exploring what their legal system is like. But I guess that would have been a good place for him to go to prison.

I don't care what happens to him, I'm not usually for death penalty but I don't think he will ever realize what he did. I told him many times that what he did was rape, and I guess he pretended to agree with me, but when I talked to him a day later he had forgotten that he had understood that it was in fact rape.

What I think is that in reality it is people like those we have on this forum, who would defend the life of the guy who raped you. No matter what you think.

I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.

Not very Christian of you.

Kindest regards,

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he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3140Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Dragan Glas wrote:Greetings,

thenexttodie wrote:What I think is that in reality it is people like those we have on this forum, who would defend the life of the guy who raped you. No matter what you think.

I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.

Not very Christian of you.

Kindest regards,

James


Thenexttodie's regressive views on several issues seems to be very Christian, especially here in the U.S. I wish people (especially freethinkers, atheists, agnostics, etc...) would stop perpetuating the narrative that Christianity is synonymous with kindness and charity. Christians can be kind, they can also be hateful (plus a whole range in between). Just like any other group of people.
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Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2767Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

The fact that followers of this or that religion fail to live up to the ideals espoused by their religion does not mean that religion is at fault.

Christianity, like all the major religions, espouses compassion.

Where thenexttodie is failing in being Christian occurs on two fronts:

1) He casts aspersions on those here in implying that we'll defend lilmarome's ex-boyfriend's behaviour on the grounds that we're atheists - and, by implication, amoral;

2) He supports a draconian punishment which goes beyond justice - ie, "a cruel and unusual punishment".

Kindest regards,

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itsdemtitansBloggerUser avatarPosts: 694Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:36 pm Gender: Male

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I don't think I could ever condem anyone to a painful and scary death, not even someone like hitler. Maybe I'm too soft, but when I think of the actual process of dying, I'm terrified of it being painful and I couldn't ever bring myself to inflict pain or fear like that on another person. And I don't see how others could either, really.
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:44 pm
lilmaromeUser avatarPosts: 31Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 pmLocation: Sweden Gender: Female

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thenexttodie wrote:What I think is that in reality it is people like those we have on this forum, who would defend the life of the guy who raped you. No matter what you think.

I, on the other hand, have no hard time telling you that I think anyone who rapes my daughter, wife, or any other woman should quickly be put to death in a scary and painful manner.


I think it's a good thing that they would defend his life no matter what I, as the victim, think. If we based convictions solely on what the victims thought would be suitable punishment there wouldn't be any legal security.

Dragan Glas wrote:Where thenexttodie is failing in being Christian occurs on two fronts:

1) He casts aspersions on those here in implying that we'll defend lilmarone's ex-boyfriend's behaviour on the grounds that we're atheists - and, by implication, amoral;

2) He supports a draconian punishment which goes beyond justice - ie, "a cruel and unusual punishment".


But he hasn't really said that you would defend his behaviour.

SpecialFrog wrote:Shouldn't you just require the woman to marry her attacker as the Bible requires?

Or what if God okayed it as he does in other parts of the Bible.


Yes, this is what you should do, thenexttodie, if you follow what the bible tells you (even though we know that it's impossible to follow everything in the bible because of it's thousands of contradictions).
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:14 pm
SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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lilmarome wrote:
SpecialFrog wrote:Shouldn't you just require the woman to marry her attacker as the Bible requires?

Or what if God okayed it as he does in other parts of the Bible.

Yes, this is what you should do, thenexttodie, if you follow what the bible tells you (even though we know that it's impossible to follow everything in the bible because of it's thousands of contradictions).

There are no contradictions because thenexttodie knows that certain bits aren't supposed to be followed any more. He just can't tell us which ones or how he knows that because we should just read the Bible if we want to know.
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:30 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2767Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

lilmarome wrote:
Dragan Glas wrote:Where thenexttodie is failing in being Christian occurs on two fronts:

1) He casts aspersions on those here in implying that we'll defend lilmarome's ex-boyfriend's behaviour on the grounds that we're atheists - and, by implication, amoral;

2) He supports a draconian punishment which goes beyond justice - ie, "a cruel and unusual punishment".


But he hasn't really said that you would defend his behaviour.

The implication is there, lilmarome. ( :oops: Apologies for getting your name wrong above. I've corrected it.)

If we defend his life, by inference, we're defending his behaviour.

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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:32 pm
SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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Dragan Glas wrote:The implication is there, lilmarome. ( :oops: Apologies for getting your name wrong above. I've corrected it.)

If we defend his life, by inference, we're defending his behaviour.

Reading it again, I agree with lilmarome. I think thenexttodie is just criticizing people who don't think rapists should be killed and inferring that people here are mostly in that category.

Which, in my case at least, would be a correct inference. Possibly his first.
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:42 pm
lilmaromeUser avatarPosts: 31Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 pmLocation: Sweden Gender: Female

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SpecialFrog wrote:There are no contradictions because thenexttodie knows that certain bits aren't supposed to be followed any more. He just can't tell us which ones or how he knows that because we should just read the Bible if we want to know.


Yea, I know. And when we read it and point out the contradictions then we have just read it wrong or we have to believe in god first, with our whole heart (how convenient).

Dragan Glas wrote:The implication is there, lilmarome. ( :oops: Apologies for getting your name wrong above. I've corrected it.)

If we defend his life, by inference, we're defending his behaviour.

Kindest regards,

James


You assume that's his inference.
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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:49 pm
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 2767Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

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Greetings,

It'll be interesting to hear what he says about this.

thenexttodie, if we defend his life, do you take it that we - at some level - condone his behaviour?

Kindest regards,

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Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:50 pm
lilmaromeUser avatarPosts: 31Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:10 pmLocation: Sweden Gender: Female

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The scariest things about thenexttodie's point of view, that rapist should be put to death, is that there are so many men who don't know that they are rapists. When people think of a rapist they think about someone who stalks women at night, grabs them and starts beating them into submission so that they can have their way with them.
That's not the most common kind of rape, the most common rape is done by a man in relationship who just wants to have normal sex. He most likely does not say anything, he starts getting close to his partner who starts to realize what he wants to do. Maybe she says no or maybe she just tries to get away. But because they are in a relationship, it never crosses his mind that it's rape. She loves him so she has to want to have sex with him right? So he pulls her close and has sex with her. He wont ever think about that there was no consent, and he didn't hit her, she didn't scream, so it wasn't rape in his eyes, he will never see it that way.
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he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3140Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

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Dragan Glas wrote:Greetings,

The fact that followers of this or that religion fail to live up to the ideals espoused by their religion does not mean that religion is at fault.

Christianity, like all the major religions, espouses compassion.

Where thenexttodie is failing in being Christian occurs on two fronts:

1) He casts aspersions on those here in implying that we'll defend lilmarome's ex-boyfriend's behaviour on the grounds that we're atheists - and, by implication, amoral;

2) He supports a draconian punishment which goes beyond justice - ie, "a cruel and unusual punishment".

Kindest regards,

James


I find it hilarious that early on thenexttodie stated the pope was not a Christian, and when asked for his reasons, he created a thread and never responded to questions posted in said thread. Now, Dragan Glas has done what thenexttodie could not do (i.e. create an objective criteria to judge who is and is not a Christian) and thenexttodie seems to not meet the basics of that criteria. I am sure as a self professed Christian, thenexttodie will object to Dragan Glas's criteria. I just cannot wait to see the rationalization thenexttodie uses.

Oh, who am I kidding. Thenexttodie will flat out ignore it, like everything else that has questioned his worldview.
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Bango SkankUser avatarPosts: 105Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:15 amLocation: Finland Gender: Male

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he_who_is_nobody wrote:
Dragan Glas wrote:Greetings,

The fact that followers of this or that religion fail to live up to the ideals espoused by their religion does not mean that religion is at fault.

Christianity, like all the major religions, espouses compassion.

Where thenexttodie is failing in being Christian occurs on two fronts:

1) He casts aspersions on those here in implying that we'll defend lilmarome's ex-boyfriend's behaviour on the grounds that we're atheists - and, by implication, amoral;

2) He supports a draconian punishment which goes beyond justice - ie, "a cruel and unusual punishment".

Kindest regards,

James


I find it hilarious that early on thenexttodie stated the pope was not a Christian, and when asked for his reasons, he created a thread and never responded to questions posted in said thread. Now, Dragan Glas has done what thenexttodie could not do (i.e. create an objective criteria to judge who is and is not a Christian) and thenexttodie seems to not meet the basics of that criteria. I am sure as a self professed Christian, thenexttodie will object to Dragan Glas's criteria. I just cannot wait to see the rationalization thenexttodie uses.

Oh, who am I kidding. Thenexttodie will flat out ignore it, like everything else that has questioned his worldview.


Shouldn't Mark 16:17-18 be considered a litmus test for true christian? ;)
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SpecialFrogUser avatarPosts: 827Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:13 pmLocation: Great White North Gender: Tree

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Bango Skank wrote:Shouldn't Mark 16:17-18 be considered a litmus test for true christian? ;)

Those verses are later additions that are absent from the earliest texts. :)
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