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The Case for Idealism

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The Case for Idealism
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momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:You're the one who keeps contradicting themselves and admitting they are wrong:

Quote directly one of my contradictions and one of my admissions of being wrong.

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

That belief you are expressing does not explain what this "I" is. You have not provided a coherent explanation of what "mind" is.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:52 pm
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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Quote directly one of my contradictions and one of my admissions of being wrong.


Holy shit you suck at reading. I've been doing that this whole time, learn to read:

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:39 pm
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:I've been doing that this whole time, learn to read:

No, you have not. You have asserted that I have contradicted myself and that I have admitted being wrong. Quote me directly where I have done that.

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

It's obvious you believe that. But the fact remains that nowhere in there do you explain what this "I" is.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:46 pm
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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Quote me directly where I have done that.


Right here: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:06 pm
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:Right here: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true


How does me saying "I notice" constitute a contradiction on my part and how does it constitute an admission of being wrong? And where in that assertion do you see an explanation of what this "I" is ?
Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:42 pm
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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How does me saying "I notice" constitute a contradiction on my part and how does it constitute an admission of being wrong?


Because you're admitting premise 1 is correct: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:52 pm
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
Because you're admitting premise 1 is correct: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

That is not an admission that I am wrong. That is something I have said which you BELIEVE implies your supposed first premise is true. But your first premise asserts that "mind" exists and you have so far been unable to explain what "mind" is.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:06 pm
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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That is not an admission that I am wrong.


Of course it is: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:05 pm
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
Of course it is: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

It's not, and that is pretty clear. Nowhere in there do you see me admitting your supposed premise is true or admitting I was wrong. You just take something I have said and infer that vindicates your assertion. But I am not particularly interested in what you believe. You have specifically said I admitted being wrong, not that you believe something I have said shows I am wrong. The latter takes nothing more than stating a belief, which you are doing now. The former requires a direct quote from me stating a very specific thing, which you have failed to provide; for obvious reasons.
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:27 pm
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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Nowhere in there do you see me admitting your supposed premise is true or admitting I was wrong.


Of course we do, it's right here: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:04 am
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
Of course we do, it's right here: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

You do understand the futility of lying on a public forum yes ? The phrase "I notice" does not magically turn into "I was wrong" just because you wish it so. And continuing to lie that I admitted being wrong or that I admitted P1 is true, without providing a quote of me stating any of those things speaks more to your character, or better said lack of it, than mine.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:39 am
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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The phrase "I notice" does not magically turn into "I was wrong"


Actually it does since "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:47 am
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
Actually it does since "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

Explain how that happens.
Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:52 am
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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Explain how that happens.


Holy shit you suck at reading. I've been doing that this whole time, learn to read:

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:57 am
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: The Case for Idealism

Monistic Idealism wrote:
"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

How does that stated belief of yours magically turn the phrase "I notice" to "I was wrong" ?
Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:59 am
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

Post Re: The Case for Idealism

How does that stated belief of yours magically turn the phrase "I notice" to "I was wrong" ?


Holy shit you suck at reading. I've been explaining that this whole time, learn to read:

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:08 am
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
Holy shit you suck at reading. I've been explaining that this whole time, learn to read:

"I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

I've read that comment. I am asking you how does said comment turn the phrase "I notice" into "I was wrong".
Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:21 am
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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I've read that comment. I am asking you how does said comment turn the phrase "I notice" into "I was wrong".


I already told you: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:41 am
momo666Posts: 135Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:25 am Gender: Time Lord

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Monistic Idealism wrote:
I already told you: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true

And I am asking you how this assertion I am quoting right now magically turns the phrase "I notice" into "I was wrong".
Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:46 am
Monistic IdealismPosts: 368Joined: Sun May 20, 2018 3:16 am Gender: Male

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And I am asking you how this assertion I am quoting right now magically turns the phrase "I notice" into "I was wrong".


I literally just told you: "I notice"="I am conscious"=Premise 1 is true by your own admission.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:53 am
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