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LaurensSocial EditorUser avatarPosts: 2950Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 pmLocation: Norwich UK Gender: Male

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Thomas Doubting wrote:Quite simple really.. Life sucks and then you're dead.


Life doesn't suck all the time though.

I had some pretty awesome bacon just now, that definitely didn't suck...
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:54 pm
CommonEnlightenmentUser avatarPosts: 649Joined: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:06 amLocation: Plato Crater Gender: Time Lord

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I think you were cheated.

You should have sat out until they supplied the whole hog.


;)
There is still light in the 'Earthly' darkness. Finding light in the darkness can be more satisfying than merely seeing the glaring light of our sun. It gives us a better understanding of light and a deeper understanding of our universe.
Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:05 pm
Thomas DoubtingUser avatarPosts: 443Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:02 pmLocation: 6th Circle of Hell Gender: Tree

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CommonEnlightenment wrote:I think you were cheated.

You should have sat out until they supplied the whole hog.


;)


Yeah, screw optimism and realism, being pessimistic is THE shit, it could always be better :lol:
JK, i am trying to be realistic at all times, that is also why death doesn't bother me too much.. of course it is sad that people die, especially close ones.. but it is inevitable, i know that anybody could die at any point in time, my grandma died 2 weeks ago, i could die while typing this mes











lol :mrgreen:
Well it doesn't mean i permanently change my last will or keep in mind how morbidly and helplessly mortal we are, i just live and make the best out of it.. and on good days i try to help others make the best out of it as much as i can.
But by keeping in mind how crappy life often is, how crappy it could be, and especially that it could always be better, i keep myself entertained, motivated and sometimes consoled.
Life sucks.. and then you die. It is a joke and a stupid parroted statement but a realistic one and one that sometimes gets me through hard times.
When i die i'm gone, i almost died twice already, i am ready whenever it happens without being afraid of it or wishing for it to happen. I am glad i learned to deal with it and can only recommend everybody to deal with the subject asap.
ORLY? Not buying that, try again.
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:35 pm
AndiferousUser avatarPosts: 2727Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:00 amLocation: Laputa Gender: Time Lord

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Dean wrote:I neglected to mention: it also depends on how you meet your demise, yes. And that seems to be what you are alluding to here.

Or perhaps we're discussing the positive connotations verses the negative for us in particular... or you know, the undead. Because no matter how much you or I or he or she may be placid about death on occasion,

And as Welsh pointed out, those ultimately most affected by your death are the people around you, who may carry around their bereavement and emotional trauma for years after you lose consciousness. So the physical death-life cycle is not the only element affected by our mortality.


Perhaps it would be best to intellectualise on the nature of life and why people tend to want to survive (or even to grant their own life meaning) before imagining anyone's reaction to death. Cuz no matter how rational we want to be, we're test tubes with hormones and we can't foretell our own reactions to these things.
"As there seemed no measure between what Watt could understand, and what he could not, so there seemed none between what he deemed certain, and what he deemed doubtful."
~ Samuel Beckett, Watt
Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:59 am
CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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Think of it this way - you've got a big clusterfuck of things happening before you come to life, then you are born, and your life is a minuscule ridiculous little fraction of time, then you die and the clusterfuck continues, possibly forever.

Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view... at least think of death as the end of line for your miserably short lifetime.

After you're realized that - move on and make your life worth something.
Perception of reality results in interpretation of reality which results in a deformation of reality.
Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:02 am
Kelly JonesUser avatarPosts: 28Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:35 amLocation: Australia

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CosmicJoghurt wrote:Think of it this way - you've got a big clusterfuck of things happening before you come to life, then you are born, and your life is a minuscule ridiculous little fraction of time, then you die and the clusterfuck continues, possibly forever.

Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view... at least think of death as the end of line for your miserably short lifetime.

After you're realized that - move on and make your life worth something.

If you realise one's life is truly meaningless, why do you feel the need to make your interpretation of this fact bitter?

Words like "clusterfuck", "ridiculous", "miserably short" all give the slant that you feel short-changed.

It doesn't sound like you really believe life is meaningless, but rather, that you think it very much ought to be otherwise.


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Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:29 am
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CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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Kelly Jones wrote:
CosmicJoghurt wrote:Think of it this way - you've got a big clusterfuck of things happening before you come to life, then you are born, and your life is a minuscule ridiculous little fraction of time, then you die and the clusterfuck continues, possibly forever.

Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view... at least think of death as the end of line for your miserably short lifetime.

After you're realized that - move on and make your life worth something.

If you realise one's life is truly meaningless, why do you feel the need to make your interpretation of this fact bitter?

Words like "clusterfuck", "ridiculous", "miserably short" all give the slant that you feel short-changed.

It doesn't sound like you really believe life is meaningless, but rather, that you think it very much ought to be otherwise.


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You missed the word "objective". Meaning, I believe in a personal meaning of life... which you make as you wish.
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:45 pm
UnwardilUser avatarPosts: 814Joined: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:32 am Gender: Male

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CosmicJoghurt wrote:
Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view...


Well you know, yes and know.

It's in our nature to think bigger than ourselves, but think about it backwards for a second. Think of how many trillions of bacteria will call your intestines home over the course of your life time that, on the bacterial scale, you are to them as the earth is to any of us, or if not the earth certainly a very powerful and long living civilization. Think of the incredibly complex network of chemical reactions that fire off in your brain, even at rest, the biological processes happening in your body adding to the diversity of molecules in the universe. There is nothing the least bit insignificant about that, especially if you were one of those bacteria.

But if you're going to look big, why not look really big. Our little big bang universe, as compared to say, average universes, might actually be so infinitesimally minute by universe standards that the reason we can't see the other universes is because we're the size of an atom in a giant ocean of a real man-sized universe.

Point is, the only scale that means anything is the human sized scale.
Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:12 am
Kelly JonesUser avatarPosts: 28Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:35 amLocation: Australia

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CosmicJoghurt wrote:Think of it this way - you've got a big clusterfuck of things happening before you come to life, then you are born, and your life is a minuscule ridiculous little fraction of time, then you die and the clusterfuck continues, possibly forever.

Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view... at least think of death as the end of line for your miserably short lifetime.

After you're realized that - move on and make your life worth something.

Kelly Jones: If you realise one's life is truly meaningless, why do you feel the need to make your interpretation of this fact bitter?

Words like "clusterfuck", "ridiculous", "miserably short" all give the slant that you feel short-changed.

It doesn't sound like you really believe life is meaningless, but rather, that you think it very much ought to be otherwise.

CosmicJoghurt: You missed the word "objective". Meaning, I believe in a personal meaning of life... which you make as you wish.

Well, that's exactly my point. You don't want life to be meaningless. You don't like that it is meaningless.

So, why is that?

Why do you feel the need to say life is miserable and ridiculous, i.e. ought to be happy and pleasant? Does it make any difference to the sun whether it is given a purpose? No, it keeps shining regardless.


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Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:08 am
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AndiferousUser avatarPosts: 2727Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:00 amLocation: Laputa Gender: Time Lord

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I might be a bit slow here, but not sure on which point Joghurt and Kelly are arguing with each other. ;)

You've both got great points and I don't see those conflicting with each other.
"As there seemed no measure between what Watt could understand, and what he could not, so there seemed none between what he deemed certain, and what he deemed doubtful."
~ Samuel Beckett, Watt
Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:07 pm
CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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Kelly Jones wrote:
CosmicJoghurt wrote:Think of it this way - you've got a big clusterfuck of things happening before you come to life, then you are born, and your life is a minuscule ridiculous little fraction of time, then you die and the clusterfuck continues, possibly forever.

Your life is so meaningless and insignificant from an objective point of view... at least think of death as the end of line for your miserably short lifetime.

After you're realized that - move on and make your life worth something.

Kelly Jones: If you realise one's life is truly meaningless, why do you feel the need to make your interpretation of this fact bitter?

Words like "clusterfuck", "ridiculous", "miserably short" all give the slant that you feel short-changed.

It doesn't sound like you really believe life is meaningless, but rather, that you think it very much ought to be otherwise.

CosmicJoghurt: You missed the word "objective". Meaning, I believe in a personal meaning of life... which you make as you wish.

Well, that's exactly my point. You don't want life to be meaningless. You don't like that it is meaningless.

So, why is that?

Why do you feel the need to say life is miserable and ridiculous, i.e. ought to be happy and pleasant? Does it make any difference to the sun whether it is given a purpose? No, it keeps shining regardless.


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I think you're using "i.e" wrong here. But anyways, I like that it's meaningless. Because then I can do whatever I want and have my own life and my own meaning. No gods interrupting my fun with retarded destiny. No anything. I give my own life meaning, and that's good. That's more than good. I couldn't imagine being stuck to whatever some deity wants me to do, that would be horrible.


@Andiferous

He's arguing that I don't like how life is meaningless. I think?
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:19 pm
The Felonius PopePosts: 324Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:19 amLocation: Arizona

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I feel it is a given that a person's philosophy regarding death is a major factor in their day to day existence. Some of us

declare there is nothing after death. Others among us make up stories to console themselves or simply go along with

stories they have been taught. Fear of self extinction is only natural for living things, but I feel we can all take solace in the

fact that no of us really knows for sure what happens after death.
Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:45 am
NeanderthalUser avatarPosts: 24Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:05 pm Gender: Male

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The Felonius Pope wrote:Fear of self extinction is only natural for living things, but I feel we can all take solace in the

fact that no of us really knows for sure what happens after death.
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The human mind comes with certain bugs in the software. It is almost impossible for us to remove ourselves from the storyline after we assume ourselves dead. "What does it feel like when I'm dead.." and such. It's very "Zen", it's a mind trap, a contradiction. It's like asking what blind people see, or deaf people hear. The mind can't project and model the outside world without assuming there is a mind present, and that mind is our own. Children are exceptionally bad at this: sad stones, happy sticks, evil ants and so on. The fear of our own death, I believe, is primarily our inability to not project our mind onto everything. The mind can't handle this feat, it is not how the mind operates.

Of course there is nothing that happens after death! Why should it? How should it? Occam's razor or whatever you want... Imagine the surreal complexity one has to invent to make an afterlife logically consistent, or even barely reasonable. A humongous number of minds doing...what? Supervised by what? Religion tried to construct a model for this, and look how pathetic that turned out. Death is a tragic loss of a mind, and it is very hard to wrap our brains around this. That's all, because it has to be all.
Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:50 pm
The Felonius PopePosts: 324Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:19 amLocation: Arizona

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Our universe is very strange indeed, so my the primary purpose of my post was simply to clarify that there are certain

things we just don't know. When it all boils down to it though, I truly don't have any faith in an afterlife.
Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:49 pm
NeanderthalUser avatarPosts: 24Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:05 pm Gender: Male

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You are really trying to sound like a pope, aren't you :)
Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:55 pm
The Felonius PopePosts: 324Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:19 amLocation: Arizona

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I am a pope: The felonius pope
Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:45 pm
CosmicJoghurtPodcasterUser avatarPosts: 808Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:59 pm Gender: Pinecone

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The Felonius Pope wrote:I feel it is a given that a person's philosophy regarding death is a major factor in their day to day existence. Some of us

declare there is nothing after death. Others among us make up stories to console themselves or simply go along with

stories they have been taught. Fear of self extinction is only natural for living things, but I feel we can all take solace in the

fact that no of us really knows for sure what happens after death.



And because I have no idea what happens after death but am pretty certain that I'll just rot and decompose, I'll just focus on enjoying the extremely short amount of time that we call a life.
Perception of reality results in interpretation of reality which results in a deformation of reality.
Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:58 pm
bluejatheistPosts: 525Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:28 pm Gender: Male

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I enjoy morbid topics like this, fun fun!

I imagine if I died I wouldnt be concerned about it, I would be too busy no longer existing. It seems like another aspect of this thread is dealing with loss of others, not your own death. I'd say that's a another realm of issues to think about. I often hear of people who've gornw older and find losing others much more frightenign than dying themselves.
Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:56 pm
FrengerBloggerUser avatarPosts: 831Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:50 pmLocation: Derby, UK Gender: Male

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A couple of nice videos on death by Theramin trees.



Tue May 01, 2012 4:33 pm
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Nom_de_PlumeUser avatarPosts: 247Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:36 pmLocation: Western Canada Gender: Female

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my philosophy on death is quite simple and comes from my grandmother.
She said she always lived her life so that the people who knew her could say they were better off for having known her.
I was going to end this there until I realized that I'd have to give me stance on afterlife etc as well (it's never the first thing I think of, cuz I'm not a converted atheist)
human lifecycle analogy by Nom.....
So I suppose I see life like a camp fire, with a small spark we start off, burn bigger and hotter throughout our lives then slowly fade to coals and then ashes. That's it.
Hopefully throughout that fire/life we've kept people warm and given them light and heat to be able to cook their own meals.
The supreme irony of life is that no one gets out of it alive.
~Robert A Heinlein
Thu May 03, 2012 4:25 am
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