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Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Another blunder: reference to straw man
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:34 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1182Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Just posting on topic.

More mistakes: believing that God doesn't exist while only holding onto faith claims that every theist argument is wrong.

Believing they co descended with monkeys. Monkeys are our cousins way back when nobody was looking

Believing the faith ( atheists call it science) that rocks can tell time.


So you're saying faith is something stupid, d'uh.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:37 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Next blunder: putting words in another person's mouth.
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:44 pm
WarKChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1182Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 am Gender: Tree

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Just posting on topic.

More mistakes: believing that God doesn't exist while only holding onto faith claims that every theist argument is wrong.

Believing they co descended with monkeys. Monkeys are our cousins way back when nobody was looking

Believing the faith ( atheists call it science) that rocks can tell time.


Bernhard.visscher wrote:Next blunder: putting words in another person's mouth.


No, that's what you did earlier. I've never heard of an atheist who'd agree with what you said.
You can pretend all you want, science never made the claims you attribute it.

You use faith as an insult. Curiouser and curiouser, eh?
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:57 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Next blunder: putting words in another person's mouth.



Let's assume that all your identified blunders are something real rather than an expression of your vapid prejudice.

This still leaves you as a human being who needs to find strangers on the internet to hate on to salve some form of egotistical or existential angst.

How sad do you need to be to get pleasure from the silly behavior you're engaging in?
Faith is not a desirable place to make claims from. It is belief in the absence or even contradiction of evidence. If you're going to do religion; learn how to do religion right.
Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:04 pm
VisakiUser avatarPosts: 765Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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I'm not sure which is funnier: That Bernhard has decided to drive-by us after all this time, or that he's such a lousy shot that he has to do it again and again.

Also it seems that Bernhard thinks that using logic is a blunder. That actually explains a lot.
Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:05 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Believing the faith ( atheists call it science) that rocks can tell time.



Go on Bernhard - put your money where your overly large mouth is and explain what this is supposed to mean.

I do hope it's a fundamentalist rejection of radiometric dating, because any capitulation of it that says 'rocks tell time' is in for a world of education.
Faith is not a desirable place to make claims from. It is belief in the absence or even contradiction of evidence. If you're going to do religion; learn how to do religion right.
Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:05 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Of course a fundamental rejection of radiometric dating on rocks that supposedly existed before man walked the earth. The definition of science is it must be observed.

Therefore it's faith ... blind faith
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:39 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2353Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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You know the decay laws were empirically derived, right?

Of course not.
Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:41 pm
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1170Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Of course a fundamental rejection of radiometric dating on rocks that supposedly existed before man walked the earth. The definition of science is it must be observed.

Therefore it's faith ... blind faith

Congratulations, you have now completely rejected forensics. Since we were not there to observe it, we cannot convict anyone in a court of law. That's what you're saying.

Also, what you're saying is that you don't actually have any good reasons to believe that God created the universe, that Jesus existed, died and was resurrected, or in fact ANY of the contents of the bible. At all. That you have to take them all on nothing but faith, blind faith. Because guess what, you weren't there to observe any of it.

I'm glad we got it settled that according to your own standards, you have zero good evidence-based reasons for any of your beliefs.

The problem is that I actually don't agree with any of that. We can have good reasons for believing that certain events transpired in history, without us being required to have been present to observe them ourselves. This really just amounts to basic historical hypothesis testing.

Which usually goes basically like this: If process X happened in the past, we should expect to find evidence A and B. So we go out and OBSERVE if A and B really is there. So historical science still employs empirical observation in hypothesis testing. It works in geology, astronomy, biology and in forensics. It works everywhere.

If a man once existed that was named Jesus and he did fantastic stuff, we would expect there to be well-attested written records of it outside of just religious scriptures.

If Johnny killed Barbara, there is certain evidence we expect should exist. His fingerprints on the knife, for example. Blood spatter on his clothes. His bootprints on the floor. Blood and skin fragments under Barbara's finger-nails matches Johnny's blood and DNA, implying she defended herself against him. And so on. Johnny also had a motive, as Barbara had been seen flirting with other men in his presence. etc. etc.

We don't have to have been present to observe the actual murder unfold, to be able to say with reasonable certainty that Johnny really did kill Barbara.

This idea that we have to be present and directly witness certain events transpire, otherwise it's "just blind faith" is patently false.

This thread should be called Blunders that Bernhard.visscher make all the time.
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:01 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Nothing will change the fact that even according to evolutionists man wasn't there to see the rock.... everything claimed to be empirically derived to celebrate that rocks birthday is faith
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:15 pm
hackenslashLime TordUser avatarPosts: 2353Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:43 pm Gender: Cake

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Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:20 pm
Bernhard.visscherPosts: 1099Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:15 am

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Nice you can see billions of years back. I cannot.
I don't consider it a shame to say so. If you can .....to hold the faith that billions of years ago it happened like you claim it happened.... that's your faith speaking. You are making it your religion.
Atheism will never posses the knowledge God does not exist. Bernhard visscher
Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:24 am
CollecemallPosts: 338Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

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I'm starting to remember why I had Blathering Bernhard blocked. I was of the hope that he'd provide unintentional comedy this time round.... I think he's on his way back to the foe list.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:47 am
leroyPosts: 1744Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:30 pm

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hackenslash wrote:You know the decay laws were empirically derived, right?

Of course not.


the reliability of radiometric dating has not been shown in any robust way.
"events with a zero probability happen all the time"
Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:06 am
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1170Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Nothing will change the fact that even according to evolutionists man wasn't there to see the rock.... everything claimed to be empirically derived to celebrate that rocks birthday is faith

Thank you for proving you don't even know what the words faith and empirical mean.

If you can do observational hypothesis testing then it isn't faith. Faith is belief in the absense of evidence. Observational hypothesis testing is textbook evidence-based testing.

You literally couldn't be more wrong.
"Nullius in verba" - Take nobody's word for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:05 am
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1170Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

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leroy wrote:
hackenslash wrote:You know the decay laws were empirically derived, right?

Of course not.


the reliability of radiometric dating has not been shown in any robust way.

The reliability of rediometric dating has been shown in an extremely robust way.

See how idiotic it is to just sit there declare your useless opinion with staunch conviction? We can do this all day. You're going to have to come up with something better.

Which I will now do, because I know that you yourself can't. Here's a graph from a paper on Carbon 14 calibration with 230Th/234U/238U :
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The question you need to answer is this: Why do the curves agree?

Fairbanks, R. G.; Mortlock, R. A.; Chiu, T. C.; Cao, L.; Kaplan, A.; Guilderson, T. P.; Fairbanks, T. W.; Bloom, A. L.; Grootes, P. M.; Nadeau, M. J. Radiocarbon calibration curve spanning 0 to 50,000 years BP based on paired 230Th/234U/238U and 14C dates on pristine corals Quaternary Science Reviews
Volume 24, Issues 16–17, September 2005, Pages 1781-1796 [DOI 10.1016/j.quascirev.2005.04.007]
"Nullius in verba" - Take nobody's word for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:17 am
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1170Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Nice you can see billions of years back. I cannot.
I don't consider it a shame to say so. If you can .....to hold the faith that billions of years ago it happened like you claim it happened.... that's your faith speaking. You are making it your religion.

Are you familiar with the concept of the doppler effect and do you know what a redshift is?

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No, creationists astronomers have not been able to solve the starlight problem.

It turns out it is only you who believe things on faith, Bernhard.visscher. Only you.

Not only to you believe things without evidence, you belive things despite what the evidence shows.
"Nullius in verba" - Take nobody's word for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullius_in_verba
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:25 am
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Bernhard.visscher wrote:Of course a fundamental rejection of radiometric dating on rocks that supposedly existed before man walked the earth. The definition of science is it must be observed.

Therefore it's faith ... blind faith



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Clueless.

It IS observed, chap. That's how we know of radioactive isotopes decay rate.

What Bernhard means is that Bernhard's never bothered to do any hard work and consequently hasn't observed them.

If you close your eyes and shout LA LA LA, you might convince yourself that the real world doesn't exist, but to everyone else you look like a moron closing his eyes and shouting LA LA LA.
Faith is not a desirable place to make claims from. It is belief in the absence or even contradiction of evidence. If you're going to do religion; learn how to do religion right.
Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:57 am
SparhafocPosts: 1330Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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leroy wrote:
hackenslash wrote:You know the decay laws were empirically derived, right?

Of course not.


the reliability of radiometric dating has not been shown in any robust way.



Ignorance asserted as fact.

In reality, it's been shown beyond reasonable doubt, and was first discovered over a century ago.
Faith is not a desirable place to make claims from. It is belief in the absence or even contradiction of evidence. If you're going to do religion; learn how to do religion right.
Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:58 am
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