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WenlokUser avatarPosts: 23Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm Gender: Time Lord

Post The holocaust deniel rabbit hole.

About two or three years ago, i was confronted at the comment section of an islamic motivational video. By being direct and providing me with authentic islamic narrations, this person, has awakened a level of cognitive dissonance that lasted for 1 or 2 years. Going deeper into the rabbit hole, i found myself lying and living by the satisfaction of finding a pathetic rebuttal to an argument ive seen and telling myself its been refuted. To me the only other choice was suicide, it was my world view! Well after last summer were ive finally left islam, i still kept going down the rabbit hole. Ive researched everything from climate change, creationism, flatearth and now holocaust deniel.

To me, these are by far the most irrational, but the deadliest in terms they have lack of evidence to look forward to.

Anyway, i guess you all are just dying to know what i started this thread for. If feel there is a distinct lack of discussion of revisionist arguments especially in the skeptical field. As such, i feel this is a good place to start.

I guess I should start with a question:
Death by Hydrogen Cyanide is a result of inhalation, and absorption through the skin. How come none of the eye witnesses mention any gloves or special clothing?
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MMG/MMG.asp?id=1141&tid=249
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:16 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1895Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

Post Re: The holocaust deniel rabbit hole.

Far play to you mate - that's quite a journey!

Here's to hoping that journey, now begun, never ends! ;)
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:22 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1895Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Wenlok wrote:Death by Hydrogen Cyanide is a result of inhalation, and absorption through the skin. How come none of the eye witnesses mention any gloves or special clothing?
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MMG/MMG.asp?id=1141&tid=249


Not clear what you mean here. Which eye witnesses?
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:24 pm
WenlokUser avatarPosts: 23Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: The holocaust deniel rabbit hole.

Sparhafoc wrote:Far play to you mate - that's quite a journey!

Here's to hoping that journey, now begun, never ends! ;)


Thanks mate.

Surprisingly, I remember where that comment is still there. I go back once in a while to see how pathetic i was.

Ps. Sorry for the PM im still new at this.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:29 pm
WenlokUser avatarPosts: 23Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm Gender: Time Lord

Post Re: The holocaust deniel rabbit hole.

Sparhafoc wrote:
Wenlok wrote:Death by Hydrogen Cyanide is a result of inhalation, and absorption through the skin. How come none of the eye witnesses mention any gloves or special clothing?
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MMG/MMG.asp?id=1141&tid=249


Not clear what you mean here. Which eye witnesses?


The holocaust survivors/victims. People who were in concentration camps. The point being that the chemicals, atleast according to revisionists, would have killed the guards whos job it was to clear out the rooms, carry the bodies, remove gold from teeth etc.
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:41 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1895Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

Post Re: The holocaust deniel rabbit hole.

Over the last decade or so, a few of us here have seen some people undergo a dramatic frame-shift. It's rare, but some people will never be satisfied with a half-truth, even if it means stripping themselves of things they hold dear.

Interestingly, there are many parallels to this in the most ancient narrative myths from around the world: the Hero's Journey!
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Beliefs are, by definition, things we don't know to be true.
Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:42 pm
SparhafocPosts: 1895Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Wenlok wrote:The holocaust survivors/victims. People who were in concentration camps. The point being that the chemicals, atleast according to revisionists, would have killed the guards whos job it was to clear out the rooms, carry the bodies, remove gold from teeth etc.


Ah I see.

Well, several answers spring to mind.

The first is that eye-witnesses might not think it worth saying. It's like an eye-witness to a spaceshuttle disaster might not feel it necessary to point out that people were wearing their spacesuits.

Secondly, dosage is everything. There are all manner of highly toxic things that you can easily bear without harm if they're in small enough doses.

Thirdly, presumably most eye-witnesses died. For example, why would the guards carry the bodies when they have subhumans to carry the subhuman remains?

Fourthly, there are other records (such as bills of sale) which show that at least some concentration camps bought protective gear.


I can probably come up with a dozen more such reasonable explanations, but it's really a question as to whether the original notion is valid. Why would it ever be simply accepted that the Nazis in the 40's were somehow sufficiently knowledgeable to design complex systems to murder people with gas on an industrial level but would then blindly and naively expose themselves to that same gas? The notion just makes no sense, it's an appeal to ignorance where the best that can be said is that they don't know how the bodies were disposed of, but they've opted to draw fictional conclusions from their ignorance.
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Beliefs are, by definition, things we don't know to be true.
Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:50 pm
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