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torink1Posts: 1Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:39 pm

Post Split from Veganism discussion SD and GuySDTalkedTo

If the point of veganism is to not harm animals, are vegans against using animal products that, by using them, will by no means harm any animal?
For example, hunters discard hundreds of thousands of deerhides each year, would there be any moral problem in using skins of animals that would be discarded anyway? The hunter is not benefiting from this ether, I know some would say that the hunter will shoot more animals if you are paying him for hides but that is not the case, at least where I'm from, it is illegal to sell untaned skins and more often then not the hunter gladly gives the hide to you free and doesn't want it to be wasted. Is there a moral dilemma in this for vegans, if so, why?


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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:47 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2630Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Post Re: Split from Veganism discussion SD and GuySDTalkedTo

Hi torink1,

The topic you posted in was actually restricted to just two users (who requested it), so I moved your post here.

I know that has left your post in a bit of a vacuum, but it's still a relevant question, so hopefully others can chime in.

Personally, I can only imagine that vegans (or animal lovers in general) would prefer making hunting illegal. I may be wrong...
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VegoUser avatarPosts: 61Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:32 pm

Post Re: Split from Veganism discussion SD and GuySDTalkedTo

torink1 wrote:If the point of veganism is to not harm animals, are vegans against using animal products that, by using them, will by no means harm any animal?
For example, hunters discard hundreds of thousands of deerhides each year, would there be any moral problem in using skins of animals that would be discarded anyway? The hunter is not benefiting from this ether, I know some would say that the hunter will shoot more animals if you are paying him for hides but that is not the case, at least where I'm from, it is illegal to sell untaned skins and more often then not the hunter gladly gives the hide to you free and doesn't want it to be wasted. Is there a moral dilemma in this for vegans, if so, why?

Veganism doesn't have a strict and unique moral code, it's more of a "do your best" kind of thing, so the answer to your question will depend on who you ask.

Gifts are not really free: when the hunter gives you something useful for "free", you will tend to reward him with a social perk, like a positive attitude ("what a nice person"). So accepting a gift is a form of payment/incentive, and in my opinion we should refuse in this case.

If it is not a gift but instead some kind of dumpster-diving that doesn't benefit the hunter, then I would say it doesn't matter.

By contrast, I think abolitionists would say that we shouldn't even think about it in any case.

Gnug215 wrote:Personally, I can only imagine that vegans (or animal lovers in general) would prefer making hunting illegal.

Almost. Vegans are not necessarily "animal lovers" (I am not). I would prefer people to voluntarily live in a way that doesn't result in avoidable animal exploitation, so that we don't have to resort to lawmaking. But if it helps then yes, I think ethical vegans would be fine with making hunting generally illegal.
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:19 pm
*SD*User avatarPosts: 154Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:00 amLocation: Wales, UK Gender: Male

Post Re: Split from Veganism discussion SD and GuySDTalkedTo

Gnug215 wrote:Hi torink1,

The topic you posted in was actually restricted to just two users (who requested it), so I moved your post here.

I know that has left your post in a bit of a vacuum, but it's still a relevant question, so hopefully others can chime in.


There's another thread going on here if the OP wants to chip in!
Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:46 pm
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