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SparhafocPosts: 2458Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Sparhafoc wrote:
thenexttodie wrote:Sparhafoc, you cannot support the legalization of something and then say you do not support the thing that you wanted to be make legal. It doesn't work that way.



Thenexttodie, you don't know what you're talking about, so instead of spouting inane claptrap, it would behoove you first to get a fucking clue then proceed.

No legislation has been forwarded to kill foetuses.

What you are talking about is Ireland's new abortion law.

Now, you are labouring under the false notion, or hiding behind it, that such a law would allow the termination of a foetus a day before birth.

This is complete bollocks.

In reality, the draft legislation concerns termination of embryos up to 12 weeks gestational age (i.e. first trimester), and 24 weeks in exceptional circumstances.

For the former, you would need to know what that really means. You don't; you have some woolly metamagical notions from the Iron Age inhabiting the part of your brain that hundreds of years of science should occupy. I am going to spend time educating you in this thread, but first I am letting you dig the holes I will later help you out of.

For the latter 'exceptional circumstances', I will simply return the idea back to you to consider. A woman who wants to have her baby develops a serious medical condition which means that if she continues with her pregnancy not only will she die, but obviously the foetus will die with her. In such circumstances, one life (that of a partly developed foetus) cannot ethically supersede the life of the human adult who is a full member of society, and who has parents, siblings, a spouse, co-workers etc, especially when inaction (denial of termination) will lead to them both dying anyway.

Not in the slightest bit ironically, this is exactly the circumstances (with numerous cases of women dying) which lead to Ireland overturning their previous anti-abortion stance.

So how about you engage honestly with this and forward some reasoning whereby you either argue the woman should be left to die along with the "unborn baby", or you explicitly acknowledge that there are valid circumstances in which termination of a foetus is ethically justified.



Explicitly acknowledged.

So are you now part of the Baby Murderers Club, TNTD?

Or do you appreciate that your wilful flights of prejudiced fantasy about Teh Evul Atheists were really just a reflection of how little thought you'd given the subject matter?
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:10 am
thenexttodiePosts: 894Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Sparhafoc, I have answered your question the exact same way I would have answered it 10 years ago. I have probably already have answered it else where on this same forum, even.
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:12 pm
thenexttodiePosts: 894Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm Gender: Male

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Also this has nothing to do with the passing of Ireland's new abortion law, which you were celebrating in another thread.

The new law allows for women have their unborn babies killed, even when the life of the mother is not at risk. And you support that, correct? Or were you mislead?
“..the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.” Tolstoy
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:30 pm
psikhrangkurPosts: 121Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:30 pm Gender: Pinecone

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https://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/The- ... stitution/

In addition, a majority of Assembly Members recommended by ballot the following reasons, for which termination of pregnancy should be lawful in Ireland

Real and substantial physical risk to the life of the woman (99%)
Real and substantial risk to the life of the woman by suicide (95%)
Serious risk to the physical health of the woman (93%)
Serious risk to the mental health of the woman (90%)
Serious risk to the health of the woman (91%)
Risk to the physical health of the woman (79%)
Risk to the mental health of the woman (78%)
Risk to the health of the woman (78%)
Pregnancy as result of rape (89%)
The unborn child has a foetal abnormality that is likely to result in death before or shortly after birth (89%)
The unborn child has a significant foetal abnormality that is not likely to result in death before or shortly after birth (80%)
Socio-economic reasons (72%)
For all the above reasons Members made recommendations as to any gestational limits if any which should apply


Since the topic of why Ireland's laws were changed came up.
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:52 pm
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