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annrice234Posts: 5Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Gender: Female

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This is just an idea I am working on. It is long-term (i.e. beyond our lifetimes). I would appreciate any feedback.

The Union of Earth Republics

The Constitution of the new Union of Earth Republics (UER) is the foundational document for the merger of all Earth nations into a single nation. It has many of the features of the United States of America (USA) Constitution with its separation of powers, checks and balances and such. It includes three main branches of government: the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary branches. It is not exclusively Democratic since the Chinese republic remains Communist. The UER is a union of republics, somewhat like the way the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was.

The UER Constitution includes features not available in the USA Constitution. These features include an Equal Rights Amendment, term limits for the UER Legislature, line-item veto for the Executive and balanced budget provisions. It also plans for a resolution of economic debt between the republics. Sustainability clauses and a family size limit provision is phased-in.

The UER starts out with just the landmasses of the USA and Russia. For the sake of clarity, the alternative name for the new nation will be the Union of Russian and American Republics. The merger of Russia and the USA is phased-in. It does not initially include free travel between the two republics, a merger of the two economies or a merger of the two militaries. China joins the UER at a later date. China's suffrage int he Legislature is phased-in because of the its larger population size. The goal is one-person, one vote in at least one house of the bicameral Legislature.

A primary goal of the UER is to cease the targeting of the population centers of the UER by the strategic nuclear arsenals of the UER. This change is phased-in. The UER is a pathway to a more peaceful nuclear weapons stance than that of the late 20th Century.
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:40 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2627Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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Can I go with a preliminary question?

Why?
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:47 pm
annrice234Posts: 5Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Gender: Female

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Sparhafoc wrote:Can I go with a preliminary question?

Why?


Because the nuclear weapons situation between Russia and the USA is an existential threat to both countries. You would think that in a sane world, both partiies would be interested in their long-term safety. It seems to me that a merger is the only solution that might be permanent.
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:35 pm
Gnug215ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 2688Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:31 pm

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annrice234 wrote:
Sparhafoc wrote:Can I go with a preliminary question?

Why?


Because the nuclear weapons situation between Russia and the USA is an existential threat to both countries. You would think that in a sane world, both partiies would be interested in their long-term safety. It seems to me that a merger is the only solution that might be permanent.



The EU, consisting of a bunch of, relatively speaking, fairly similar nations (in terms of culture, population, economy), is having huge, huge issues just getting its member states to stay in a union that barely scracthes the surface of the kind of union you're suggesting.

It's a nice notion, but there's no way in hell it's gonna fly with people.
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:28 am
SparhafocPosts: 2627Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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annrice234 wrote:
Sparhafoc wrote:Can I go with a preliminary question?

Why?


Because the nuclear weapons situation between Russia and the USA is an existential threat to both countries.


Ok, but there's a rather large gulf between that statement and the formation of a global government.


annrice234 wrote: You would think that in a sane world, both partiies would be interested in their long-term safety.


I think they are, which is why they maintain nukes to deter others from using nukes on them.


annrice234 wrote: It seems to me that a merger is the only solution that might be permanent.


I am not clear on the logic that arrives at this being the 'only' solution, not least because it seems to contain a host of complications itself. What about simple disarmament without all the world government component?
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:40 am
annrice234Posts: 5Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Gender: Female

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annrice234 wrote: You would think that in a sane world, both partiies would be interested in their long-term safety.


I think they are, which is why they maintain nukes to deter others from using nukes on them.


annrice234 wrote: It seems to me that a merger is the only solution that might be permanent.


I am not clear on the logic that arrives at this being the 'only' solution, not least because it seems to contain a host of complications itself. What about simple disarmament without all the world government component?[/quote]

It seems to me that disarmament is losing steam as a solution. People are current afraid of giving up all of their nukes. Even if you had a weak union (confederation or whatever other word suggests that), it would be better than the current situtation. I see that union as a bridge to a better future. You might have to start with a weak uion and then strenthen it over the decades as polaization between Russia and the USA lessens. It may take many decades, but to start now on such a union between Russia and the USA would be a foundation to slowly build upon. It would only be after the union is well established that you would then invite in China as the third member. World govenment is many decades into the future.
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:27 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2627Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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annrice234 wrote:It seems to me that disarmament is losing steam as a solution.


As far as I am aware, if you consider disarmament to have been a phase over the last 20 years, and then you compare the present estimated number of nukes to estimates of numbers of nukes from the 60's to 90's, we're in a dramatically better situation today. In fact, trends are quite the contrary to what you've said with the total number of nukes expected to continue to fall, even if there is some proliferation in terms of nuclear capable nations.

Sure, if you expect disarmament to result in no nukes at all, then I guess it would be fair to say we're still far from that goal.


annrice234 wrote:People are current afraid of giving up all of their nukes.


People are stupid, mostly, so that's not a big surprise! :)

But it's not really 'people', is it? Sure, there are some people in a given nation who are pro-nuclear armaments, but they're far from the majority in any democratic nation, as far as I am aware.

It's governments and particular administrations who have upped the recent climate of concern about nukes, and a lot of it seems to be empty posturing when it comes to talk of expanding arsenals. When you've got 10,000 nukes and have to pay the endless maintenance and hazardous waste from them, another few hundred extra just doesn't seem worth their weight strategically or as a heightened deterrent. If anything, the big nations want less nukes, but better ones - ones that can evade counter-measures, for example. When you've got enough to wipe every major city in half the world, I don't think many people genuinely agree that more is better.

But even were I to concede both of the above, I still don't see how your proposition follows. How does the failure of total nuclear disarmament necessarily entail a world government?

I don't see how that works logically.

I don't see how it works in terms of sovereign nations all over the world willingly subordinating themselves to a higher administrative authority.

I also don't see how it works in terms of providing an actual solution to the stated problem. How does the World Government deter North Korea, for example, from testing nukes if the World Government doesn't itself have nukes? Authority in all the diverse array of human societies always has ultimately resided in who has the bigger stick.



annrice234 wrote: Even if you had a weak union (confederation or whatever other word suggests that), it would be better than the current situtation.


Well, we kind of do, at least in terms of nuclear agreements. It's not perfect, and there are some ridiculous situations we've allowed ourselves to accept, but there is a 'confederation' of states in the sense of a non-proliferation treaty signed by nearly every nation in the world.

How would your envisioned confederation differ in this regard?


annrice234 wrote: I see that union as a bridge to a better future. You might have to start with a weak uion and then strenthen it over the decades as polaization between Russia and the USA lessens. It may take many decades, but to start now on such a union between Russia and the USA would be a foundation to slowly build upon. It would only be after the union is well established that you would then invite in China as the third member. World govenment is many decades into the future.


I think it's worth questioning whether world government is even desirable.

That is not to say I am taking a position either for or against, but at least in the sense you've proposed, I am not clear as to what benefit it purports to offer, or whether those same benefits could be accrued without a world government.

I think there's a kind of obvious trajectory there; human society over the millennia has slowly expanded the number of citizens operating under a particular governmental structure - tribe, clan, kingdom, empire, nation state, multinational blocs... but these have always been enforced either by commonality of language, cultural traditions (or trading agreements), and religious beliefs, or by superior force. I think we're a long way from trusting each other, or being confident in ourselves (whichever way you want to look at it) to relinquish national sovereignty that far yet.

But we are forming blocs, and they put a natural pressure on other states to form their own blocs, which in turn means bigger blocs are better, and so on. Perhaps one day world government will be an obvious step that will resolve many other issues, but I don't think we're ready for that experiment yet.
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:48 pm
annrice234Posts: 5Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Gender: Female

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Try to imagine a "better" future than the current situation and give a long time, say, 1000 years, for that change to happen. What will that change look like? I think that it will look like world government. Now the questions are, how might that change occur and can it be faster than 1000 years? I think of it as almost like building a large bridge? Do we have the resources to make it successful? Break it down and get into the details of the step-by-step how you are going to construct the span. That is how I see constructing a world government. You start with a compact, strong foundation. That is why I choose Russia and the USA as a strong starting point. If these two countries were unified to some degree, the other nations of the world would not be able to ignore that entity. If it were built carefully, a world government might be a big improvement that could happen in, perhaps, 200 years.
Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:57 pm
annrice234Posts: 5Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Gender: Female

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Does anyone think that a family size limit is impossible to implement? I can think of other means that might be more scary, such as randomly sterilizing some percentage of newborns in order to stabilize world population. What we need are laws that will help us to achieve sustainability. Being an optimist, I predict that someday, the people of Earth will reproduce in a sustainable fashion.
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:33 pm
SparhafocPosts: 2627Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:48 am

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annrice234 wrote:Does anyone think that a family size limit is impossible to implement?


Impossible? No. It obviously depends on what lengths a government would be prepared to go to limit the autonomy of its citizenry.

Again, I think the question is more about whether it's desirable to create such a world.


annrice234 wrote: I can think of other means that might be more scary, such as randomly sterilizing some percentage of newborns in order to stabilize world population.


That sounds horrifying. Is it desirable to save the world if by doing so we create such a dystopia?


annrice234 wrote: What we need are laws that will help us to achieve sustainability. Being an optimist, I predict that someday, the people of Earth will reproduce in a sustainable fashion.


We do reproduce in a sustainable fashion: that's what reproduction is! Put food, oxygen, and water in... shake well... 'free' babies. ;)

It's not the production of offspring that's causing environmental problems, it's consumption patterns multiplied by the number of consumers.

I am not sure that we need tyranny in order to achieve our desired ends here. Population is already stabilizing, albeit acknowledged that it will take many generations and billions more people before that process arrives at equilibrium. However, plenty of nations have already arrived at sub-replacement fertility rates without needing to create such repressive legislation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populatio ... by_country

A number of nations today are declining in population: this is occurring in a region stretching from North Asia (Japan) through Eastern Europe, including Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Georgia, and into Central and Western Europe, including Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Hungary, and now Greece, Italy and Portugal, in addition to Puerto Rico in the Caribbean. Countries rapidly approaching population declines in the 2020-25 period include Spain, Germany, and Slovenia.
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